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The discussion centers around the search for archives or resources containing important research papers in quantum mechanics (QM). Participants express a desire to access historical documents and foundational articles from the development of QM, while also addressing challenges in understanding contemporary research due to a lack of practical knowledge.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests links to archives of important QM articles, noting that existing resources like arXiv and Physics Today have limitations in their historical coverage.
  • Another participant suggests a specific archive and mentions that many early works were published in German journals, which may not be readily available online.
  • Some participants question the effectiveness of studying original papers, suggesting that while they are important for understanding the historical context, they may not be necessary for grasping the current state of QM.
  • Discussion includes references to key experiments in QM that have contributed to understanding electron behavior, such as the photoelectric effect and Rutherford's experiment.
  • There is mention of the value of popular science books for gaining a broader perspective on QM, despite some skepticism from participants regarding their academic rigor.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of having a solid textbook foundation in QM and suggest that access to university libraries or specific databases is crucial for finding older papers.
  • One participant provides links to collections of important papers, noting that some significant works may be missing from these collections.

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Participants express a mix of views regarding the best approach to studying QM, with some advocating for original papers and others suggesting textbooks or popular science literature. There is no consensus on the necessity of historical knowledge for understanding current QM concepts.

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Participants highlight limitations in accessing historical documents and the challenges posed by language barriers in early publications. The discussion reflects varying opinions on the relevance of historical context in learning QM.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics seeking resources for historical research papers, as well as those interested in the foundational experiments and theories in the field.

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If you have a link to a good article or a nice archive please post them here I will greatly appreciate it. :smile:

I've looked at www.arxiv.org[/url] and physicstoday [PLAIN]http://www.aip.org/pt/pastiss04.html who however only seem to have articles from 1995 and forward. Is there any place on the internet who stores all important research papers? for example the the original EPR document that dr.chinese has on his webpage.

I would like to browse the research papers that where published when QM was being developed. Since I haven't come that far in my studies I have some problems reading recently published research papers. How long are we expected to goto school before we can read papers about "Modified Kaluza-Klein Theory" :confused: , 20 years?! Where are the relevant articles on things like measuring position of a single electron, where do we get a single electron to start with? How do we determine in what state a hydrogen atom is? etc things like this, the basic things.

In my books on QM there a practically no explanations on how things are done, it just says if we measure that and that we get this and that etc. I realize it isn't important to know how these things are done in order to make predictions but I sure think it would give me a better feel for the subject.

All this information and no practical knowledge is makin me feel like that professor in probability theory that knew everything about picking white and black balls out of an urn and at the same time he had no clue on what an urn is or what it looks like. I think he found out what it was when he was 50 or something.
 
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Ok at the site http://dbserv.ihep.su/
check the directory hist/owa/hw.part1

Your problem is, most initial work was done in german journals, not available in the net. Some english journals are available at gallica, the node of the french national library.
 
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I wonder if looking at the original papers is the best approach to study the subject. It would be great if we had a lot of time available, but life is short.
Looking at the original papers would be a must in order to understand the historical development of the science though. But I guess we can study QM without having a thorough knowledge of it's historical development.
If you are interested in the more experimental aspects, you can look for the key experiments that have been done. You have to consider that most experiments have not been of a nature such as : "measuring the position of an electron", being that electrons an atoms are so small, experiments have usually involved larger objects and the behavior of particles inferred from those experiments. You can find a lot of information on individual experiments on the web.
About electrons, I think a lot of information on their behavior when being part of an atom was obtained in the beginning by looking at the light emmited from the atoms when the electrons jump form one level to another level.
Look at:
Spectrum of Hydrogen
Black body radiation
Rutherford's experiment
Compton scattering
Davidson-Germer experiment
Stern-Gerlach experiment
Photoelectric effect
Millikan's chamber
Wilson chamber
There are Gedanken (thought) experiments that were "done" to show what would happen if we actually had the technogy to perform those experiments. For instance, Heisenberg talked about looking at an electron using a microscope "Heisenberg's microscope".
The "EPR experiment" was also originally a thought experiment.
I think it has been more recently that experimenters have been able to look at single atoms, single photons, etc. So you won't find referennce to those experimnts in the old papers.
A good textbook on QM (what is good for you would entail looking at a lot of books until you find one that you like), supplemented by searches on the web and posting questions on the Physics forum might be the best approach.
Wikipedia could be a good source of information too.
Good Luck Trosten,
Alex Pascual
 
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Also consider reading some popularizations of the subject. These would be looked at with disdain by many physics professors, but I think they help to get "the whole picture". I am talking about books with little math that are written for "lay" people. Many of them emphasize the most controversial and paradoxical aspects of quantum mechanics (Schrodringer's cat for instance).
I would suggest you look int what is called "interpretations" of quantum mechanics. This will show you that you are not alone when you have difficulty making sense of the theory.
 
Ive read a few of thoose kinds of books. When trying to crasp what's going on I often think of something feynman wrote in some book, its something like if anyone claims they understand QM they are either crazy or clueless

Thanks for replys ill look into things.. :smile:
 
You need a decent textbook to understand QM. Something like Mandl or French or something similar to those. Then you'll need another one, and then another. And you need to like maths.

If you are looking for older papers, you WILL need a university library, or at least membership at one. If you have such a thing, look for a database called INSPEC (see 'engineering village') and this will provide you with millions of papers, and with an Athens login, you get many of them as PDF.
 
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You need a decent textbook to understand QM. Something like Mandl or French or something similar to those. Then you'll need another one, and then another. And you need to like maths.

If you are looking for older papers, you WILL need a university library, or at least membership at one. If you have such a thing, look for a database called INSPEC (see 'engineering village') and this will provide you with millions of papers, and with an Athens login, you get many of them as PDF.

Many important papers from 1893-1993 are publicly available at http://fangio.magnet.fsu.edu/~vlad/pr100/

Forward:
The American Institute of Physics (AIP) and The American Physical Society (APS) are proud to join in producing this centennial collection of noteworthy articles from The Physical Review and Physical Review Letters starting with the first issue of The Physical Review in 1893 …

The collection includes some of the important papers on EPR, but not all. I seem to remember that they don't include the important one by Clauser and Horne, 1974. Have a look. I think a little time browsing through these original papers is well worthwhile. Popular books, on the other hand, I have little use for. One recent exception is:
Amir D Aczel, “Entanglement: The greatest mystery in physics”, Four Walls Eight Windows, New York, 2001​
This, though giving, in my view, a totally misleading picture of important matters such as the current status of experimental confirmation of entanglement, gives historical and biographical facts that are not readily available elsewhere. It gives a picture of the intrigue and politics, the personal relationships etc., behind the physics.

For a somewhat similar picture of what went on in the background during the "invention" of the basis of quantum theory, see:
Hendry, John, “The Creation of Quantum Mechanics and the Bohr-Pauli Dialogue”, D Reidel Publishing Company 1984​

Getting back to original papers, another source I've used is:
Wright, Steven, “Classical Scientific Papers”, Mills and Boon, London 1964​
This includes papers by J J Thompson, Wilson's cloud chamber work, Rutherford papers of 1902, 04 and 06, papers by Geiger, Mosley, Chadwick (discovery of the neutron) , Millikan (photoelectric effect, though unfortunately not his 1916 paper), Compton (though not, iirc, his crucial ones re scattering of X-rays).

Caroline
http://freespace.virgin.net/ch.thompson1/
 
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