Prove Mean Value Theorem: Min/Max on Bounded, Closed Set

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The discussion revolves around proving that a continuous function attains an absolute minimum and maximum on a closed and bounded set. Participants explore the implications of continuity, compactness, and the definitions of supremum and covering in the context of this theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to start the proof, noting the intuitive nature of the statement but lacking direction.
  • Another participant suggests considering the supremum of the function on the set E as a starting point.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of compactness and discusses the image of E under the function, questioning whether K (the image) is compact.
  • Some participants seek clarification on terms such as supremum and covering of K by open sets, indicating a lack of familiarity with these concepts.
  • One participant provides definitions for upper bounds, supremum, open sets, and covering, attempting to clarify these terms for others.
  • Another participant mentions that the proof could also be approached using basic analysis techniques like epsilon-delta arguments, suggesting alternative methods to prove the theorem.
  • A participant acknowledges the need to revisit the problem and considers looking at an external resource if they remain stuck.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to the proof, with multiple competing views and methods being discussed. Some express confusion about terminology, while others propose various strategies for tackling the problem.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of certain mathematical concepts, such as compactness, supremum, and open covers, which may affect their ability to engage fully with the problem.

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Prove: If f : U → R is continuous on U, and E ⊂ U is closed and bounded, then
f attains an absolute minimum and maximum on E.

I have no idea even where to start on this. Intuitively it's so obvious that i don't know what to do. The definitions given by the teachers that I have to work with are as follows:

A set F ⊆ Rn is closed if, for every convergent sequence {xi}(from i=1 to infinity) ⊆ F,
we have limxn(as n goes to infinity)⊆F
(in other words it contains its limit points)

A bounded set is one for which there exists r such that the set is contained in Nr(0).
(in other words some ball around the origin of any size contains the set.)

F continuous on u means for all c in F, lim(as x approaches c) exists and equals F(c).

A compact set is one which is closed and bounded, so E in this proof is compact.

I know that what needs to be shown is that there exists xm and xM such that:
f(xm)<=f(x)<=f(xM) for all x in E.

any advice? hints? etc.. on how to start this? I suspect that the mean value theorem might have something to do with it, but I'm not sure how to incorporate it. Thanks for any help.
 
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Hint: Consider the supremum of f(E).
 
Depending on your familiarity with these ideas:

Let K be the image of E, under F. Let C be a covering of K by open sets. Consider the inverse image of the sets in C by f. What do you know about compact sets? Can you use this here, what about mapping back to K? Is K thus compact?
 
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Unfortunately I am not familiar with most of these terms. What's the supremum? What does a covering of K by open sets mean? I'm pretty sure I get the image part. Does the image of E under F simply mean the range of F if the domain were restriced to E?
 
eddo said:
Unfortunately I am not familiar with most of these terms. What's the supremum? What does a covering of K by open sets mean? I'm pretty sure I get the image part. Does the image of E under F simply mean the range of F if the domain were restriced to E?
An upper bound for a set F (subset of R) is a real number M such that for all x in F, x <= M.

Example: Let F=(-oo,3]. Then 666 is an upper bound for F, as are 3 and 5 and any number not less than 3.

The supremum of a set F (subset of R) is the least upper bound of F.

Example: Let F=(-oo,3]. Then 3 is the supremum of F. 3 is also the supremum of (-oo,3).

A set G is open if for all x in G, there is an interval (x-d, x+d) fully contained in G. In other words, a d>0 such that (x-d,x+d) is a subset of G.

A covering of K by open sets means a family of sets, W, such that each member of W is open and K is a subset of the union of all sets in W. (The union of all sets in W is the set of all points in some element of W.)

For example, Let W={(-oo,n):n &isin; Z}. W is an open covering of the set K=[36,666].

The image of E under f, denoted f(E), is the set of elements in the range mapped to by some element of E. So y is in f(E) iff f(x)=y for some x in E.
 
If you're not familiar with those things (and it would take too long to learn for the difficulty of the question, and you'll learn them later anyway) then it can be done from more "basic" analysis, ie the epsilon delta arguments.

There are several variations though (do you know about cauchy sequences?) here's some of the ways to do it. Warning it is a solution, but it goes quite slowly so you can read bits of it and see if you can predict the rest. It starts with two proofs that use compactness and then gives one that doesn't presume you know about it

http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~wtg10/bounded.html
 
Thank you all, I'll give it another try. I'm pretty sure it's the epsilon delta type proof he's looking for. If I'm still stuck before it's due I'll take a look at the link.
 

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