Prove (lim n -> infinity) (1 + 1/n)^n = e

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The discussion centers around the limit definition of the mathematical constant e, specifically proving that (lim n -> infinity) (1 + 1/n)^n = e. Participants explore various definitions and methods for establishing this limit, including calculus concepts and logarithmic transformations.

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  • Some participants assert that the limit is the definition of e, suggesting that proving it requires clarifying which definition of e is being used.
  • One participant proposes using L'Hopital's rule to evaluate the limit, noting that it transforms into a suitable form for differentiation.
  • Another participant attempts to derive the limit using the definition of the derivative of e^x, substituting into the limit expression.
  • There is a mention of the logarithmic approach to handle the indeterminate form "1^infinity" by taking the natural logarithm of the expression.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the mathematical notation used, indicating a need for clearer communication of the ideas presented.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method or definition to prove the limit. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, with some participants favoring different definitions of e and methods of proof.

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Some participants reference specific calculus concepts and theorems, such as L'Hopital's rule and the definition of the derivative, which may not be universally understood. There are also indications of confusion regarding the mathematical notation and expressions used in the discussion.

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Would you please proove that

(lim n -> infinity) (1 + 1/n)^n = e ?
 
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For me, that is the definition of the number e.

So if you want to prove it, you have to tell what your definition of e is to show it is equivalent to that limit.

If for example:

[tex]\mbox{ e is the number such that:} \quad \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{e^h-1}{h}=1[/tex]
is your definition. Then take the derivative of ln(x) at the point 1. (Expressed as a limit)
 
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Using what preliminaries? That is sometimes used as the definition of e!

Lacking that, the simplest way is to use L'Hopital's rule. Strictly speaking L'Hopital's rule only applies to limits of differentiable functions but the limit of (1+1/x)<sup>x</sup>, as x-> infinity, must be the same as the limit of the sequence.

At x= infinity this is of the form "1<sup>infinity</sup>" so let y= (1+ 1/x)<sup>x</sup> and take the logarithm: ln(y)= x ln(1+ 1/x) is now of the form "infinity*0". We can write that as \[\frac{ln(1+1/x)}{x}\] and differentiate numerator and denominator separately. The derivative of ln(1+1/x) is \[\frac{1}{1+1/x}(-\frac{1}{x^2})= -\frac{1}{x^2+x}\]. The derivative of 1/x is -1/x<sup>2</sup>. The ratio of those two is \[\frac{x^2}{x^2+x}= \frac{x}{x+1}= \frac{1}{1+\frac{1}{x}}\] and the limit of that, as x-> infinity, is 1.

Since the limit of ln y(x)= 1, and ln is continuous, the limit of y itself is e.
 
Thanks but I couldn't understand the latex code.
 
Okay, I'll use the definition in calculas to PROVED that...

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} e^x = e^x[/tex] -------->>>difinition of e
substitude [tex]e = \lim (1+1/n)^n[/tex] into [tex]e^x[/tex]

we have [tex]e^x = \lim (1 + 1/n)^{nx}[/tex]..

let [tex]u=nx[/tex],

we got [tex]e^x = \lim (1 + 1/n)^{nx}=\lim (1 + x/u)^u=\lim (1 + x/n)^n[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\lim (1 + 1/n)^{nx} = \frac{d}{dx}\lim (1 + x/n)^n = \lim n(1+x/n)^{n-1}*(1/n) = \lim (1 + x/n)^n=\lim (1 + 1/n)^{nx}[/tex]

so..[tex]e=\lim (1 + 1/n)^n[/tex]
 
Oh blast! I forgot which forum I was in!

At x= infinity this is of the form "1infinity" so let y= (1+ 1/x)x and take the logarithm: ln(y)= x ln(1+ 1/x) is now of the form "infinity*0". We can write that as [itex]\frac{ln(1+1/x)}{x}[/itex] and differentiate numerator and denominator separately. The derivative of ln(1+1/x) is [itex]\frac{1}{1+1/x}(-\frac{1}{x^2})= -\frac{1}{x^2+x}[/itex]. The derivative of 1/x is -1/x2. The ratio of those two is [itex]\frac{x^2}{x^2+x}= \frac{x}{x+1}= \frac{1}{1+\frac{1}{x}}[/itex] and the limit of that, as x-> infinity, is 1.

Since the limit of ln y(x)= 1, and ln is continuous, the limit is e.
 
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