Has the search for WMDs officially ended?

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The discussion centers around the status of the search for weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) in Iraq, including claims about their discovery and the implications of the U.S. government's actions and statements regarding the war. The conversation touches on political accountability, media portrayal, and the motivations behind military intervention.

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  • Some participants mention that the official searches for WMDs have ended, seeking confirmation and further explanation.
  • One participant claims that WMDs were found a long time ago, suggesting that there is no need for continued searches.
  • Another participant references a news article to assert that the U.S. search for WMDs has concluded, while also discussing President Bush's comments on accountability and public opinion.
  • There are humorous remarks about the media and the search for WMDs, including references to satirical news sources like The Onion.
  • Some participants argue about the existence of WMDs in countries like North Korea and Iran, citing statements from the Bush administration.
  • Discussions arise regarding the reasons for the Iraq war, with participants debating the significance of WMDs compared to other justifications such as the al-Qaeda connection.
  • Participants express skepticism about the motivations behind the war and the use of intelligence to justify military action.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the status of WMDs, the motivations for the Iraq war, and the credibility of various sources. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the existence of WMDs or the justification for the war.

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Participants reference various sources and statements, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the credibility of these sources and the interpretations of political statements. The discussion reflects a range of opinions and interpretations without definitive conclusions.

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I have been hearing this from a couple of news sources, might be old news in your country..
 
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Yes I heard the official searches ended just yesterday... Any confirmation and explanation would we nice :smile:
 
Haven't you guys heard? WMD were found a long time ago, there's no need to keep searching anymore.

More information available http://theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4101&n=3
 
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Yes, the US's search for WMD has ended.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=16&u=/ap/20050113/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_weapons_15

No need for Bush to apologize, though. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6831621/)

Bush said:
"We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections," Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. "The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me."

Of course, the rest of the world's opinion suggests there's been at least one weakness in Bush's policies.

Bush said:
Bush acknowledged that "some of the decisions I've made up to now have affected our standing in parts of the world," but predicted that most Muslims will eventually see America as a beacon of freedom and democracy.

"There's no question we've got to continue to do a better job of explaining what America is all about," he said.

For the less mathematically inclined, "continue to do a better job" is somewhat similar to constant acceleration, or "continue to go even faster". For the more mathematically inclined, that equates to:

[tex]p_f = p_i - w t + 1/2 e t^2[/tex]

where [tex]p_f[/tex] = final public opinion
[tex]p_i[/tex] = initial public opinion
[tex]w t[/tex] = war multiplied by duration of war
[tex]e t^2[/tex] = quality of explanations multiplied by duration of war squared
 
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As long as [itex]e>0,~p_f~[/itex] will eventually turn positive. And all it takes is an infinitely long war. Hallelujah !

And for those that are stymied by Waste's link, The Onion is not a serious news source. It only parodies news events - a print equivalent to the Daily Show.
 
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And for those that are stymied by Waste's link, The Onion is not a serious news source. It only parodies news events - a print equivalent to the Daily Show.

You mean I've have been getting all my news from the wrong source? :cry:

Maybe I should consider watching Fox? :smile:

Hey didnt Jeraldo Rivera find the WMDs? :smile:

I thought I saw Jr. running around the oval office looking for them! Maybe he is now looking for them in the Lincoln bedroom! I thought for sure he'd find'em!:smile:
 
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And for those that are stymied by Waste's link, The Onion is not a serious news source. It only parodies news events - a print equivalent to the Daily Show.
Excuse me? Are you trying to tell me that North Korea and Iran do NOT have WMD? That's not what the Bush Administration has said. Officials in the Bush administration, and Bush himself, have said at many times that Iran and North Korea do have WMD, but we are going to try diplomacy with them instead of war. They are part of the Axis of Evil afterall.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
And for those that are stymied by Waste's link, The Onion is not a serious news source. It only parodies news events - a print equivalent to the Daily Show.

Hah is there someone that didn't know this? I'm shocked this even needed stating, it is obvious to me it was a joke when he posted it.

Besides, I think the onion article, though a parody, was rather insightful in this case.
 
"Based on what we know today, the president would have taken the same action because this is about protecting the American people," said Press Secretary Scott McClellan.

Nice of them to finally admit that they would have attacked Iraq even if they did know there were no WMD, blatantly contradicting the pre-war lie that the whole reason for invading was about WMD.
 
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Pyrovus said:
Nice of them to finally admit that they would have attacked Iraq even if they did know there were no WMD, blatantly contradicting the pre-war lie that the whole reason for invading was about WMD.[emphasis added]
That's said a lot, and its still isn't true. That was always 1 of 3 reasons to go. It may have been the main reason, but it wasn't the "whole" reason.
 
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russ_watters said:
That's said a lot, and its still isn't true. That was always 1 of 3 reasons to go. It may have been the main reason, but it wasn't the "whole" reason.

So what were the other 2 again, if you care to enlighten us?
 
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russ_watters said:
That's said a lot, and its still isn't true. That was always 1 of 3 reasons to go. It may have been the main reason, but it wasn't the "whole" reason.

But it was the linchpin ! Without this reason, neither Congress nor the people, would have been sold on the idea (which is kind of sad). And that's why it was the the most repeated and emphasized point in the campaign for the War. So much so, that Bush, Cheney, Rice, McClellan and others were repeatedly using very shady "intelligence" to support and reinforce this claim, rather than tell the people that it's time to give the Iraqis a break from Saddam's oppression.

Reason number 2, was the al Qaeda/9-11 connection.
 
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Blair went to war because he said that Evil Saddam Hussein can drop in 45 min bomb on London . Bush was even more funnier.Who is the third stooge ? Howard from Australia ? he looks more intelligent.
 
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Thanks to GWB I have finally come to understand that a satirist is the natural outcome of chronic sadness and seething anger.
 
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Once again polly you have graced us with your insightfull perspectives on human behaviour.
 
  • #16
:biggrin: Unfortunately my little darling, flattery will get you nowhere :smile: .
 

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