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Jan16-05, 03:08 AM   #1
 

Evolution ruling gets cheers from scientists


Evolution ruling gets cheers from scientists


Friday, January 14, 2005 Posted: 10:51 AM EST (1551 GMT)

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Since 2002, Dr. Kenneth Miller has been upset that biology textbooks he has written are slapped with a warning sticker by the time they appear in suburban Atlanta schools. Evolution, the stickers say, is "a theory, not a fact."

"What it tells students is that we're certain of everything else in this book except evolution," said Miller, a professor of biology at Brown University, who with Joseph S. Levine has authored three texts for high schoolers.

On Thursday, Miller -- along with fellow teachers and scientists -- cheered a federal judge's ruling that ordered the Cobb County school board to immediately remove the stickers and never again hand them out in any form.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/01....ap/index.html
 
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Jan16-05, 11:54 AM   #2
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It is encouraging to see that there is still some sanity in this world.
 
Jan16-05, 12:02 PM   #3
 
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As I recall, the stickers in question said more than just "evolution is a theory not a fact" that made it even clearer what the bias of the board of education was when they placed them in the textbooks. The parents in that district should take it a step further and protest the waste of their tax money to print those stickers and put them in textbooks, not to mention the legal costs the board of ed probably absorbed for this case! Make the board of ed reimburse the district out of their own pockets for this. Makes me mad that there are school districts that can't afford to even buy current textbooks for their students, or even replace the books that are falling apart, and there's a district throwing away money on stupid stickers for books.
 
Jan16-05, 12:16 PM   #4
 
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I would be perfectly happy with such stickers on biology texts if there were stickers on Bibles saying "Creation is a myth, not a fact".
 
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I would be perfectly happy with such stickers on biology texts if there were stickers on Bibles saying "Creation is a myth, not a fact".
Excellent!
 
Jan16-05, 01:20 PM   #6
 
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When I saw this in the news, a couple of days ago, I didn't know whether to be happy or sad.

Isn't it sad that it takes a Federal Judge (rather than the local schoool board) to have to determine what needs to go into textbooks ?

I think it's quite pathetic that things have come to a stage where there is such a large disconnect between people and science. Education is just not able to keep pace with research, and the population is being left in the dust. Or is there something else to blame - perhaps a resistance to change that is being encouraged ?
 
Jan16-05, 01:27 PM   #7
 
Hey maybe they should put a sticker on all of the schools saying:

"The Cobb County Board of Education and many residents of Cobb County do NOT have much of an education which proves that your education is not as important as often stated. This is not a THEORY but a FACT as demonstrated by the lack of distinguishing between hypothesis, thesis, and fact.

In order to preserve the integrity of the current system you are hereby notified that a sizable monetary contribution will be necessary for appropriate accreditation. Those not willing or able to meet these standards need not apply except at your local fast food franchise."
 
Jan16-05, 03:05 PM   #8
 
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I would be perfectly happy with such stickers on biology texts if there were stickers on Bibles saying "Creation is a myth, not a fact".

Beat me too it. Dang it.

Actually i was gonna say they had to have another sticker: "God is jsut a theoru" if they wanted that one.

Have i mentioned how much i can't stand fundamentalists yet today? Well now i ahve.
 
Jan16-05, 03:10 PM   #9
 
Quote by Curious3141
I would be perfectly happy with such stickers on biology texts if there were stickers on Bibles saying "Creation is a myth, not a fact".
I would be content with that as well.
 
Jan16-05, 03:17 PM   #10
 
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I would be perfectly happy with such stickers on biology texts if there were stickers on Bibles saying "Creation is a myth, not a fact".
Blasphemy !
 
Jan16-05, 06:18 PM   #11
 
Calling evolution a theory is an attempt to discredit it (a means that has been used since Darwin's time). The fact is evolution is not a theory but an observable natural phenomenon like gravity or any such thing. The neo-Darwinian synthesis is the scientific theory that best describes the natural, observable, and phenomenon evolution. If data were to show, tomorrow for instance, that the neo-Darwinian synthesis is incorrect (something that will not happen... the synthesis is probably the most tested and most confirmed scientific explanation we have), evolution would not stop (just as gravity did not cease when Newtonian gravitational theory gave way to Einsteinian theory). Evolution, unbeknownst to most Americans... including our President, is not at issue; the issue is how evolution takes place (via: natural selection, mutation, genetic drift, chance, and meiotic drive with natural selection being the only creative force of the five). By banning the teaching of evolution in schools, we might as well ban the teaching of sciences in general. Finally, does evolution have anything to say about the possible existence of God or gods? The answer is of course not. It does indicate, however, that those who take religious texts literally are incorrect.
 
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It does indicate, however, that those who take religious texts literally are incorrect.
This demographic constitutes a shockingly large chunk of the population in this country.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
 
Jan16-05, 08:09 PM   #13
 
I'd be fine with the sticker if it was applied to all theories. If they have one for special relativity, quantum theory, chemical kinetics, etc. If they have one for every theory. Showing that it is only for evolution is obvious what intent they have.
 
Jan16-05, 11:35 PM   #14
 
I believe in separation of church and state.

The church can teach creationism and school teaches evolution, period.

It is a good thing (very positive) that progressives want to keep schools a neutral ground, and allow for individuals to pursue their faiths in churches, temples and synagogues.

That is the only way religion should be pursued. But that's just me. It has no place in the public sphere (school, government, etc.).

You can't discount 4.6 million years of evolutionary proof.

And who, in their right mind would believe God created Adam and Eve only six thousand years ago, when the entire Asian and African cultures can be traced back to ten to fifteen thousand years and more? And let's face it; men do NOT have one fewer ribs than women.

I believe there's some sort of "Higher Power" at work, somewhere. Where do our souls come from? How is everything given its life?

But as science has proven, everything that grows, lives, and breathes, can be traced back with scientific proof. Can the same be said of Creationism?

It's the soul of us animals that get one wondering about higher powers. What force causes each animal, whatever the species, to have individual feelings, thoughts, and actions? Something is breathing that uniqueness into all of us.

Kinda gets your mind working overtime, doesn't it?
 
Jan17-05, 12:09 AM   #15
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I believe there's some sort of "Higher Power" at work, somewhere. Where do our souls come from? How is everything given its life?
There is no proof that "souls" exist. It's another myth. I was brought up to believe in all this, I no longer do since there is not one shred of evidence to support any of it, just the opposite.
 
Jan17-05, 01:35 AM   #16
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Is there evidence to prove that souls do NOT exist?
 
Jan17-05, 01:59 AM   #17
 
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Is there evidence to prove that souls do NOT exist?

Doesn't matter. It is the burden of those making a claim to provide evidence and proof.
 
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