Do More Double Bonds in Hydrocarbons Require Higher Melting Temperatures?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the number of double bonds in hydrocarbons and their melting temperatures. Participants explore the implications of double bonds on melting energy requirements, with a focus on specific examples of fatty acids and their structural characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that hydrocarbons with more double bonds require more energy to melt, implying a direct correlation between double bonds and melting temperature.
  • Another participant challenges this view, stating that melting energy is more related to the crystalline structure and intermolecular forces rather than the number of double bonds.
  • A different viewpoint is introduced regarding alkenes being more polarizable than alkanes, which could suggest higher boiling points due to dispersion forces.
  • A participant provides a specific problem involving three fatty acids with varying numbers of double bonds, hypothesizing that the fatty acid with no double bonds would require the least energy to melt, while the one with two double bonds would require the most.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the relationship between double bonds and melting temperatures, with no consensus reached on the connection. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of double bonds on melting energy.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the relationship between molecular structure and melting temperature are not fully explored, and the discussion does not clarify the role of intermolecular versus intramolecular forces in this context.

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A hydrocarbon that has lots of double bonds takes more energy to melt, so therefore takes more heat than a hydrocarbon with less double bonds right?

so a hydrocarbon with no double bonds will require the least amount of energy, so the last amount of heat

is my concept right?

thanks
 
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I'm sorry,but i don't see a direct connection between the number of double bonds in a carbon compound and the liquifying latent heat.The latter has to do with the crystaline structure of the solid hydrocarbon and the intermolecular bonds and not necessarily with the intramolecular bonds.

Perhaps someone else could come up with the connection u're searching for...

Daniel.
 
Well, alkenes are generally more polarizable than alkanes, so you would expect a higher boiling point based on dispersion forces.
 
nemzy said:
A hydrocarbon that has lots of double bonds takes more energy to melt, so therefore takes more heat than a hydrocarbon with less double bonds right?
Assuming that the hydrocarbon is in a liquid form then if you heat some of it it will produce smoke. If the smoke is 'smokey' then it has more alkenes in it. If the smoke is more whispy then it has more alkanes in it.

This may not have been explained well.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
ok, well here is the exact details of the problem:

which fatty acid melts at the highest temperature (solid to liquid)

(order from lowest to highest temp required to melt)
Don't know how to draw on here, so i will just explain it to you

1) a 17 long hydrocarbon chain with a Carboxyl group attached at the end. Has no double bond

2) a 17 long hydrocarbon chain with a Carboxyl group attached at the end. Has 1 double bond

3) a 17 long hydrocarbon chain with a Carboxyl group attached at the end. Has 2 double bonds.


My guess is that 1 requires least and 3 requires most temperature
 

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