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The discussion revolves around techniques for solving integrals, specifically the integral of 1/(cscx-1) and the computation of the average value of a function over a specified interval. Participants explore various trigonometric substitutions and integration methods, sharing their thought processes and approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the integral of 1/(cscx-1) and seeks hints or guidance.
  • Another participant presents a detailed step-by-step solution, transforming the integral into a more manageable form using trigonometric identities and rationalization techniques.
  • Some participants suggest alternative methods or shortcuts that could simplify the integration process, such as using double angle identities.
  • There are discussions about different approaches to manipulating the numerator and denominator, with one participant suggesting a method involving negative signs to simplify calculations.
  • Participants engage in a debate about the clarity and effectiveness of the proposed techniques, with some expressing that certain methods may not be immediately apparent or intuitive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solving the integral, with multiple competing views and techniques presented throughout the discussion. There is also disagreement regarding the clarity of certain algebraic manipulations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that certain tricks or shortcuts could simplify the calculations, but they also acknowledge that these methods may not be visible to everyone, leading to potential confusion.

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This discussion may be useful for beginners in calculus, particularly those interested in integral techniques and trigonometric identities. It may also benefit those looking for different perspectives on solving integrals and understanding the nuances of mathematical reasoning.

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integral of 1/(cscx-1)


i can't think of any trig subs or anything...natural log prob? ;)...i udnno I'm truly clueless. all i need is a hint or more if u like ;) :wink:








also, am i using integrals for this prob:

Compute the average value of f(x)=x/(x+3) over the interval [-a,a], 0<a<3

I think i will just get an expression for the answer
 
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Here is what I have done. So you should go through my working to check for errors.

[tex] \int {\frac{1}{{\cos ecx - 1}}} dx[/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{1}{{\left( {\frac{1}{{\sin x}} - 1} \right)}}} dx[/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{1}{{\left( {\frac{{1 - \sin x}}{{\sin x}}} \right)}}} dx[/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{1 - \sin x}}dx} [/tex]

When I see something like the above I just think, something needs to be done to the denominator. I would use a technique similar to rationalising a surd expression as follows.

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{1 - \sin x}} \times \frac{{1 + \sin x}}{{1 + \sin x}}dx} [/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x + \sin ^2 x}}{{1 - \sin ^2 x}}dx} [/tex]

Now use some trig identities as follows.

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x + \frac{1}{2} - \frac{1}{2}\cos 2x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}} dx[/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{1}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx} } - \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{{\cos 2x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx} [/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{1}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx} } - \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{{2\cos ^2 x - 1}}{{\cos ^2 x}}} dx[/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{1}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx} } - \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{{2\cos ^2 x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}} dx - \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{{\left( { - 1} \right)}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx} [/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{1}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx} } - \int {dx + \frac{1}{2}\int {\frac{1}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx} } [/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \int {\frac{1}{{\cos ^2 x}}} - \int {dx} } [/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \int {\sec ^2 x} dx - \int {dx} } [/tex]

The first integral in the above line can be done by substitution or simply by inspection which can save time. :biggrin:

[tex] = \frac{1}{{\cos x}} + \tan x - x + c[/tex]

[tex] = \sec x + \tan x - x + c[/tex]
 
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Yes,Benny,good work... :smile: Though you could have shortcutted the part with the double angle on the cosine... :wink:

Daniel.
 
Thanks dextercioby. :smile:

I see what you mean, I went around in circles. The question could have been finished as follows.

[tex] \int {\frac{{\sin x + \sin ^2 x}}{{1 - \sin ^2 x}}} dx[/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x + \sin ^2 x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}} dx[/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \int {\tan ^2 x} dx} [/tex]

[tex] = \int {\frac{{\sin x}}{{\cos ^2 x}}dx + \int {\left( {\sec ^2 x - 1} \right)} dx} [/tex] The integral on the left can be integrated by substitution or using the fact that [tex]\frac{d}{{dx}}\left( {\sec x} \right) = \tan x\sec x[/tex]

So [tex]\int {\frac{1}{{\cos ecx - 1}}dx} = \sec x + \tan x - x + c[/tex].
 
I was thinking about something else...Right from the beginning...It doesn't really matter.It would have been another (more simple) trick besides the one you pulled...

Daniel.

P.S.These 2 tricks shorten the calculus,but the disadvantage is that u may not see either of them... :-p
 
In the numerator you could have used Sinx=-(-Sinx)=-(1-Sinx-1)
which would have simplified the calc instead of *ing and /ing by 1+Sinx
 
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In the numerator you could have used Sinx=-(-Sinx)=-(1-Sinx-1)

OMG,how can u say that?? Would u agree that what u said is basically an alambicated way of:
[tex]\sin x=(\sin x-1)+1[/tex]

and the minus would appear naturally (when symplifying the denominator and the numerator),not forced...??

Daniel;

PS.Benny,that's the trick i mentioned...
 
What do you mean by natural and forced??
Yes I was talking about this only.[itex]\sin x=(\sin x-1)+1[/itex]
I added the -ve sign to prevent confusion,but it seems that it didn't work.
 

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