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The discussion revolves around finding the zeros of the function f(x) = third square root of |x^2 - 9| - 3. Participants are attempting to understand how to set the equation to zero and explore the implications of the absolute value in the context of the function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss rearranging the equation and removing the cube root. They consider cases for the absolute value, questioning how to handle the expressions when |x^2 - 9| is greater than or less than zero. There are attempts to clarify the equation's format and the implications of the absolute value on the solutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. There are multiple interpretations of the equation, and some participants are exploring different cases for the absolute value. While there is no explicit consensus, the conversation is productive and focused on understanding the problem better.

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Participants note the confusion around the terminology used for the cube root and the implications of the absolute value in the equation. There is also a recognition that certain cases may lead to contradictions, such as equating an absolute value to a negative number.

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f(x) = third square root of |x^2 - 9| - 3

I need set everything = to 0, but then what? I'm stuck.

Thanks,

J.B.
 
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Let me make sure I got the equation right
[tex]f(x) = \sqrt[3]{|x^2 - 9|} - 3[/tex]

Phew... took me a while but I got the Latex
 
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Do you mean
[tex]\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{|x^2 - 9| - 3}}}[/tex]
or
[tex](|x^2 - 9| - 3)^{\frac{1}{3}}[/tex]
?
 
So

firstly rearrange it to make it look nicer(according to me at least)

[tex]\sqrt[3]{|x^2 - 9|} = 3[/tex]

try and remove the cube root sign first

then consider the cases when the |x^2 - 9| is greater than and lesser than or equal to zero

in the first case you simply drop the absolute values

inthe second case you place a negatie sign in front of the absolute value term and drop the absolute value signs

then solve for x, you should get 4 answers, 2 real answers, and 2 complex (square root of 1, related)
 
MathStudent said:
Let me make sure I got the equation right
[tex]f(x) = \sqrt[3]{\mid x^2 - 9 \mid - 3}[/tex]

Phew... took me a while but I got the Latex

This equation is correct, although the - 3 is not under the radical.

Thanks for the help,

J.B.
 
stunner5000pt said:
So

firstly rearrange it to make it look nicer(according to me at least)

[tex]\sqrt[3]{|x^2 - 9|} = 3[/tex]

try and remove the cube root sign first

then consider the cases when the |x^2 - 9| is greater than and lesser than or equal to zero

in the first case you simply drop the absolute values

inthe second case you place a negatie sign in front of the absolute value term and drop the absolute value signs

then solve for x, you should get 4 answers, 2 real answers, and 2 complex (square root of 1, related)

Ok, I have the cube root sign removed and my current equation is:

|x^2 - 9| = 27

although I do not remember how to work out the absolute values from here...
 
[tex]x^2 - 9 = 27, x =+- 6[/tex]
[tex]x^2 - 9 = -27[/tex] is false because absolute value can't equal a negative number.
 
JBauer said:
Ok, I have the cube root sign removed and my current equation is:

|x^2 - 9| = 27

although I do not remember how to work out the absolute values from here...

ok when you have aboslute values you have consider the arguemnt (stuff inside the absaolute value) to be greater than zero and lesser than or equal to zero.

so first you'll have |x^2 - 9| > 0, here you should simply keep the whole expression as positive, drop the absolute values and then solve with this equated to 27.

which will give you

x^2 - 9 = 27, and solve.

and secondly, you'll have |x^2-9|<=0 in this case you have to take the whole expression to be negative. That is drop the absolute values, and put a negative sign in front of the the expression

which willl give you

- (x^2 - 9) = 27 , and solve.
 
stunner5000pt said:
so first you'll have |x^2 - 9| > 0, here you should simply keep the whole expression as positive, drop the absolute values and then solve with this equated to 27.
|x^2 - 9| is allways >0 :biggrin:
What he may have meant was take cases x^2>=9 and x^2<9
 
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poolwin2001 said:
|x^2 - 9| is allways >0 :biggrin:
What he may have meant was take cases x^2>=9 and x^2<9

my mistake, that's what i meant the argument of the absolute value
 
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The "|x2-9|= -27" was wrong but the point that either
x2-9= 27 or x2- 9= -27 is still true.

Of course, x2- 9= -27 is equivalent to x2= -18 which can't be true for x any real number.

By the way, am I the only one who is infuriated by "the third square root of"?

My first reaction was "I thought numbers only had two square roots!

Oh, you mean cube root!"

Isn't "cube root" (or just "third root") easier to write than "third square root"?
 

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