What factors affect take-off velocity and runway length for a small jet craft?

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The discussion focuses on the factors affecting the take-off velocity and runway length for a small jet craft. Participants explore the calculations involved in determining speed and time during take-off, as well as the influence of various aerodynamic factors on performance.

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  • One participant seeks to calculate the take-off speed and time for a small jet craft, providing thrust and weight values but lacking the drag coefficient.
  • Another participant converts the thrust and weight into SI units and provides formulas for calculating final velocity and time based on acceleration and distance.
  • A later reply discusses the complexity of the drag coefficient for airplanes and mentions how factors like static friction and weight distribution affect take-off dynamics.
  • Participants note that the rotation velocity and take-off roll are influenced by factors such as density altitude and flap position, which can significantly alter performance metrics.
  • One participant suggests obtaining the aircraft's information manual for precise data on rotation velocity and take-off roll under various conditions.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of various factors affecting take-off performance, but multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the specific calculations and influences involved.

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Limitations include the lack of a specific drag coefficient and the dependence on various conditions such as air pressure and flap settings, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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I'm trying to establish the speed of a small jet craft as it accelerates down the runway. What I know is that the jet engine generates 2,300 lbs of thrust, and that the total weight of the craft at take-off is 22,000 lbs. I don't have the coefficient of drag but it's a pretty advanced design. How difficult is it calculate the speed for any given distance and the length of time it took to get there? Does anyone have a formula?
TIA
 
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Best to convert to SI units first.

2,300 lbs thrust = 10231 Newtons

22,000 lbs weight = 9979 kg

Acceleration, a = force / mass = 10231 / 9979 = 1.025 ms^-2

The following three formulae relate initial velocity, u; final velocity, v; time, t; acceleration, a; and distance, s

[tex]v = u + at[/tex]

[tex]v^2 = u^2 + 2as[/tex]

[tex]s = ut + \frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex]

assuming a starting velocity, u, of zero, then the speed at a given distance, for this aircraft is:

[tex]v = \sqrt{2as} = \sqrt{2.05 \times distance}[/tex]

and the time it took to get there is:

[tex]t = \sqrt{\frac{2s}{a}} = \sqrt{1.95 \times distance}[/tex]

example: after 400 metres the speed will be:

[tex]v = \sqrt{2.05 \times 400} = 28.6 m/s = 64.1 mph[/tex]

and the time taken will be:

[tex]t = \sqrt{1.95 \times 400} = 27.9 seconds[/tex]

[edited to correct a = m/F to a = F/m :redface: (which as a is fairly close to unity, didn't affect the answer that much)]
 
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Thanks! That's very helpful.
 
The drag coefficient is indeed very complicated for an airplane. Even the static friction of the wheels rolling along the tarmack changes as the airplane accelerates and begins to shift its weight from its wheels to its wings.

The velocity at which an airplane's nosewheel can be lifted from the ground is called the "rotation velocity," and the length runway used by the take-off is called the "take-off roll." Many factors affect both the rotation velocity and the take-off roll. Changes in the density altitude (local air pressure), for example, affect both the thrust generated by the engines and the lift generated by the wings. The position of the airplane's flaps is extremely important -- flaps generate a lot of lift, but they also create a large amount of drag. Flaps can be used to allow an aircraft to take-off from a short runway, for example.

If you really need precision, I suggest you get a copy of the aircraft's information manual or pilot's operating handbook. It will contain graphs indicating the necessary rotation velocity and take-off roll for all sorts of different conditions.

- Warren
 

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