Computing Integrals: From 3 to 11 - Prove You Are Right

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The problem involves computing the integral of a piecewise function defined as f(x) = 2 for x < 6, f(x) = 7 for x = 6, and f(x) = -3 for x > 6, over the interval from 3 to 11. Participants are discussing how to handle the discontinuity at x = 6 and the appropriate partition for the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are exploring how to choose a partition around the discontinuity at x = 6, questioning whether values like 5 and 7 are suitable. There is discussion about using epsilon to define limits around the discontinuity. Some participants mention using delta instead of epsilon and question the significance of the notation. Others are checking the correctness of their computed integral value and discussing the steps needed to prove their result.

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Some participants have provided guidance on integrating across the open intervals and using limits as epsilon approaches zero. There is acknowledgment of the need to refer to the additivity of integration and the definition of improper integrals in proving the integral's value. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored, particularly regarding the treatment of discontinuities.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of piecewise functions and the implications of discontinuities on integration. There is mention of the Riemann Integrability Criterion and the need to consider the behavior of the function around points of discontinuity.

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I was having trouble starting up this question.

Let
------| 2, if x<6
f(x) ={ 7, if x=6
------|-3, if x>6.

Compute (the integral from 3 to 11) f and prove that your right.
The problem i was having was choosing a partition for this integral.
For example, [3,x,y,11], what type of values could i use that are close enough to 6. Is 5 and 7 close enough? or something like +/- epsilon/2(this part is what confuses me, the epsilon)?
 
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matrix_204 said:
I was having trouble starting up this question.

Let
------| 2, if x<6
f(x) ={ 7, if x=6
------|-3, if x>6.

Compute (the integral from 3 to 11) f and prove that your right.
The problem i was having was choosing a partition for this integral.
For example, [3,x,y,11], what type of values could i use that are close enough to 6. Is 5 and 7 close enough? or something like +/- epsilon/2(this part is what confuses me, the epsilon)?

No, 5 and 7 are not close enough to 6. You have to integrate across the open intervals [3,6) and (6,11]. This means integrating from 3 to (6-epsilon) and then from (6+epsilon) and taking the limit epsilon -->0.

[tex]\int_3^{11} {f(x)dx}= \lim_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0}[\int_3^{6-\epsilon}{2dx} + \int_{6+\epsilon}^{11}{-3dx}}][/tex]


ehild
 
oh ok, i was workin on it but i used delta instead, tho i will change it to epsilon, but does it matter as much since delta is smaller than epsilon.
 
btw just wanted to make sure, i got the -9 as the integral. Could some1 check and tell me if its right? Also if i wanted to prove that i am right(-9), what r the steps involved in proving this. So far i used like the definition of Riemann Integrability Criterion, is that enough, if yes/no, any tips of what i should mention exactly?
 
matrix_204 said:
oh ok, i was workin on it but i used delta instead, tho i will change it to epsilon, but does it matter as much since delta is smaller than epsilon.

It does not matter what notation you use for the "infinitesimal small quantity".

ehild
 
matrix_204 said:
btw just wanted to make sure, i got the -9 as the integral. Could some1 check and tell me if its right? Also if i wanted to prove that i am right(-9), what r the steps involved in proving this. So far i used like the definition of Riemann Integrability Criterion, is that enough, if yes/no, any tips of what i should mention exactly?

It is correct. The integral is -9. RIC is OK, but you should refer to the additivity of integration and the definition of improper integrals. You also should say that the integral under one single point is zero. You prove the statement that the integral is -9 when you derive it from the principles.

ehild
 
You have to pick an interval such that when you look at the integral the discontinuities are 'removable'. Such an interval would have a width of epsilon around the discontuities for the function

In this case [tex]For \epsilon > 0, P_{\epsilon} = [3,6-\epsilon,6+\epsilon,11][/tex]

Hereafter use the Riemann sums to compute the integral. Thus you can show what the function is really.

As an aside, this kind of question sounds familiar because a prof at my university worded questions like that. You wouldn't happen to be at York University in Toronto, Ontario would you?
 

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