Difference between flare, CME and SPEs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between coronal mass ejections (CMEs), solar flares, and solar particle events (SPEs), particularly in terms of their characteristics, risks to individuals in deep space, and the classification of solar flares. Participants explore the implications of these phenomena for astronauts and the potential dangers they pose.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that CMEs and flares are independent phenomena that can lead to SPEs, with CMEs emitting particles at about 1,000 km/s and flares at near light speed.
  • There is a suggestion that CMEs may generally pose smaller radiation doses compared to flares, particularly in the context of SPEs.
  • A participant questions the concern of X-ray emissions from flares for individuals in deep space, suggesting that the risk from SPEs is greater.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to define "deep space," indicating that X-ray emissions from strong flares could be damaging to individuals on Earth but may not affect someone far from the Sun.
  • A participant introduces the Helen Dodson Prince classification for flares, expressing interest in its relevance for assessing danger to astronauts and asking what constitutes a "malign flare" within that classification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of the phenomena discussed. There are multiple competing views regarding the risks posed by CMEs, flares, and SPEs, as well as the effectiveness of flare classifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of "deep space" and the classification of flares, indicating that these factors may influence the assessment of risks associated with solar phenomena.

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I read that coronal mass ejections and flares are independent things that can cause solar particle events. The particles emitted by the first travels at about 1,000km/s and can reach us in days, while the particles emitted by the last travels at near light speed and can reach us in minutes. Besides that, as I noticed that the most dangerous SPEs are often associated with flares, I suppose CMEs offer smaller radiation doses in average.

And according with what I read, I suppose that the X-ray emission of the flare is not a concern for someone in deep space, when compared with the SPE it can produce. I would like to confirm those things.

I have found great information about equivalent doses for galactic cosmic rays and some major SPEs of the past, but info on internet is somewhat oversimplified when the matter is to tell the differences between flares, CMEs, SPEs, and the risk each one offers to someone in deep space, considering their strength and likeliness to happen.

Thanks.
 
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You should try to define what you mean by "deep space". Of course the X-ray content of very strong flares would be damaging to a person in Earth if that person wouldn't be protected by Earth's athmosphere. In fact, communication satellites are damaged when a malign flare occurs. But the X-ray content of solar flares will not affect to a person "in deep space" if "deep space" means for example, a comoving radial distance of 20 Gly

The strongest solar flare ever recorded was rated as X28, and ocurred in 2003
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/xtreme_flare_031105.html

Neutron stars can also produce flares. Neutron star flares are now candidates to mini GRBs
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0502052
 
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By deep space I mean outside Van Allen belts.

I would like to add one more question: I have heard about the Helen Dodson Prince classification for flares,

http://ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/ftpsolarflares.html#cfi
(botton of the page)

which can range from 1 to 17. It takes several new features in account if compared with the usual 1-8A W/m2 flux. I´m interested in flares which might be dangerous to astronauts. Is that classification a good one for that matter? What would be a "malign flare" in that scale?
 
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