Found a fossil. It's like wood - help identify!?

RyanJLea

Hi, I found this fossil a few miles down the road in some pits. It has fossils on one side, and when cracked in to it has all what I can presume is wood. It feels like wood, and is very smooth and can break off in flakes. You can see in the pictures I have posted with this. Wondering what it is, how old and what should I do with it. I Know you can get fossilised wood, but this doesn't seem fossilised, even though it was within a case of fossils...

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davenn

Hi Ryan
welcome to PF :)

for fossilised wood we normally use the term Petrified Wood
thats a very nice sample ... nice find
as far as age goes, we would need to know where it came from what layer of rock from that location.
ie. we would need to know the specific geology of where it was located
I would suggest you go to a local university and tell them exactly where you found it, they would probably then be easily able to date it. Just as I could for samples from areas around my own home country of New Zealand. ( I say home country, as its not where I live now)

cheers
Dave

davenn

Ohhh something else I forgot to mention.....

see in your sample, there's stripes of a milky white rock ?
thats most likely to be agate... a form of Quartz, and its often found in fossil material, both plant and animal. Sometimes it can totally replace the original material

cheers
Dave

RyanJLea

Thanks Dave
Is petrified wood meant to be flakey and still act/feel like wood. I thought it'd be like stone? Like fossil.

davenn

if its truely petrified it will be rock, the rock will flake ( cleave) along the original wood grain lines. but there will be no softness etc like you would find with "living" wood

from what I can see from photos of your sample it looks like its totally rocky. the wood grain is often well preserved
and so are the rings at times if on a sizeable sample it can be cut across the grain.

where are you from ... what country and where in that country ? .... dont want your street addy haha
just region/close town city

Dave

RyanJLea

Just confusing for me hah. You can snap a piece off at crumble it like soil.

davenn

well you can snap and crumble rock ... how easy that is, really depends on its composition, moisture content etc. I have some fossils in my collection that are extremely fragile. They have to be handled with lots of care.

Anyway, IF you live in the USA, you really need to visit the "Petrified Forest" in Arizona, one day .... its an awesome placeand more petrified wood that you will see almost anywhere else. Here's a pic of my wife and I beside some petrified logs in Arizona ....



cheers
Dave

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RyanJLea

That's pretty incredible ha! I'm impressed with that. Wish I could visit that. But alas, I'm in England

davenn

well, you never know, save up some funds ;) on that particular trip to the USA we were there for 5 weeks stormchasing and other activities, some geology related.

HEY England is closer to the USA than Australia!! you have no excuse haha ;)

you seen to have a good interest in geology etc .... and if you havent already, start up a good rock, mineral and fossil collection.

cheers
Dave

Bobbywhy

I propose re-looking at the OP. The wood-like material "feels like wood" means to me that it is NOT fossilized wood. If it was, it would not feel like wood. I hazard a guess that this is a piece of fulgurite, formed by a lightning strike. The kiloamperes flow through the soil and melt minerals rapidly. I have seen wood trapped in fulgurites in Brasil.

davenn

dunno bobby

Im taking the comments as from some one without much experience in such things....
well Ryan hasnt said that he's experienced in geology. I would be really suprised to find
the obvious agate bands through a fulgurite. But as I said earlier they are very common in petrified wood.
Without seeing the sample first hand, the only other thing he can do is, as I suggested earlier and take it to a local university geology dept for identification

Dave

Darwin123

Some speculation is presented here just based on what you said about the flakes. More reliable analysis would require more background information. For instance, it would be nice to know what type of pits you are referring to.
There are many fossils that retain much of the original material and structure of the original organism. Sometimes, minerals get added to the remains of the organism but the original material isn't gone. Furthermore, sometimes the petrification of the remains is so complete that the structure remains even though all the organic material is gone. Ligonization is one way to preserve the form of an organism without replacement of material.
Maybe it is a plant that was ligonized. Ligonization is when the organic material has been reduced to charcoal-like remains. The organic material is usually reduced to charcoal by heat. The heat could be from a surface fire or geothermal heat from deep within the earth. I prefer the word "ligonized" to "carbonized", since coal and charcoal are much more complicated than pure carbon in any form.
If the plant was reduced to charcoal by whatever means, it would retain much of the structure though it would be more brittle. Maybe that is why it flakes so easily.
The plant could be a recent plant that was burned in the pit. On the other hand, it could be a prehistoric plant that could be considered a true fossil.
The best way to preserve ligonized plants are by immersion in alcohol. One you uncover a plant reduced to charcoal, the air is bound to degrade it.
Consider the possibility that it isn't a plant. The fossil that you found could be the fossil remains of an animal.
I have collected paleozoic brachiopod fossils that flake exactly the way you are describing. Brachiopods (example: lamp shells) are animals with shells that superficially resemble the shells of bivalve mollusks (i.e., clams and oysters). However, the structure of brachiopod shells are rather flaky.
The picture that you showed doesn't look like a brachiopod. However, corals very often look like plants. There are marine animals that may look like that.
One of the pictures that you showed looks like a bryozoan colony. That is an animal whose colonies resemble coral colonies, but whose form is more like a brachiopod.
Again, fossils do not always consist of material that has replaced the organic material. Sometimes, the organic material persists in "cooked" form.

Darwin123

Couldn't it be ligonized wood?

Evo

I have been wondering about very similar bars in fossils that predate the existence of trees. The rocks they are in were once a seabed. I'll try to get pictures tomorrow and see if anyone can tell me what they are.

Dotini

In the "channeled scab land" of Eastern Washington, USA, I have visited petrified wood exhibits in state parks where part of the wood is petrified, and part of the wood remains woody. These curiosities were evidently created about 18,000 years ago in the Ice Age floods following the collapse of Glacial Lake Missoula.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

Andre

Interesting, I've not come across publications yet that register, describe the mineralization process in terms of temperature and conditions versus time. I have seen a vertebra of a Narwhal, still totally bone, found in the arctic, that was beyond carbon dating (>50,000 years), but assumed to be from the last interglacial, some 120,000 years ago.

Also, we have three quaternary fauna's in the North Sea here, the youngest is early Holocene, some 10,000- 7000 years ago, with no mineralisation, then an end Pleistocene fauna, carbon dated some 30-40,000 years ago, with some specimens partially mineralized and then a early to mid pleistocene fauna, estimated between 0.7 and 2 million years ago, all fully mineralized/petrified.

Darwin123

I will bet that what you found is the marine fossil of an animal. I don't think it is wood of any kind. It could still be wood, of course. However, the superficial appearance and feel of the fossil is not definitive.
Marine fossils are far more common than terrestrial fossils. There are processes that could make an animal fossil "feel" like wood.
Chiton, the substance that makes up the shells of arthropods, is chemically similar to wood. Bones can have growth rings.
At present, I have a "Mesozoic fossil" that I can't identify. Sometimes I look at it, and it looks like the neural arch of a vertebrae. Sometimes I look at it, and it is petrified wood. Sometimes I look at it, and it is a piece of hard rubber from a tire.
I am going to have it looked at by a professional paleontologist in the area. However, I am going to collect all relevant information before I show the "fossil" to him. I will tell him precisely where I found it, when I found it, how I found it, and what other fossils that I have collected in the area. I don't want an uniformed opinion, even from an "expert".
In paleontology, context is everything.