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| Sep21-03, 10:36 AM | #1 |
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Moral high grounds |
| Sep21-03, 11:00 AM | #2 |
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All nations that do not take on a retributionalist stance to security, seek to de-integrate religon and government, encourages free speech, abide by past treaties etc etc.
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| Sep21-03, 11:16 AM | #3 |
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Alex, what is Canada?
[6)] More generally, any country that doesn't answer terror with terror. |
| Sep21-03, 05:23 PM | #4 |
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Moral high grounds |
| Sep21-03, 05:26 PM | #5 |
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| Sep21-03, 05:35 PM | #6 |
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The US prior to our dear old George Bush.
Canada (right now). Britain (at least we try to restore order after we bombed everything to bits, and let aid organisations do their work.) France. ([;)]) South Africa (Which pioneered truth and reconcilliation, and that eventually worked.) and so on. Hmm... with canada you seem to be reaching into history. Of course there are bleak periods in the history of any nation. But in Israel, it's happening right now. However, strange argument you are developing. Atrocities are ok, so long as other people have done them before? Sounds.... interesting. |
| Sep21-03, 05:41 PM | #7 |
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No, the theory apparently is that it is ok, so long as you aren't as bad as someone, anyone else. Oh, and it helps to be Jewish, because after the Holocaust they apparently get a 'move to Israel and get out of human rights violations free" card.
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| Sep21-03, 05:42 PM | #8 |
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So..again, which countries hold the moral high ground? |
| Sep21-03, 05:46 PM | #9 |
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Hmmm...so doies that mean we can hate israel forever because of the terrorism of 50 years ago? In that case, no country has teh moral high ground...except probably Guam.
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| Sep21-03, 05:47 PM | #10 |
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| Sep21-03, 05:50 PM | #11 |
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Actually kat, you are really missing the point. Thw whole point of saying Israel has no moral high ground is in fact that on average, there is no such thing as a moral high ground. There is no such thing as "goodness credits", which say you can murder someone so long as you lead a nice happy life beforehand. russ's statement is undoubtedly wrong. Though Zero was goaded into being also inaccurate in his response.
But if we follow your curious argument, since Israel claims to be the oldest of all nations, all other nations can be judged as having the moral high ground because they simply have not existed long enough to kill so many people. For Israel, since the present government claim to be the inheritors of the biblical Israel, we can pull back all those genocides they and their god claim to have committed, and add up a figure larger than almost all other nations. The palestinians, arriving after the Israelites are now giving the moral high ground. |
| Sep21-03, 05:53 PM | #12 |
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| Sep21-03, 06:05 PM | #13 |
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The Palestinian state doesn't exist. Does their slate remain permanently clean?[;)]
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| Sep21-03, 06:09 PM | #14 |
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| Sep21-03, 07:13 PM | #15 |
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| Sep21-03, 11:45 PM | #16 |
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I think we are all missing something...before things get too far afield, can we start again, at the first point of confusion?
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| Sep22-03, 07:09 AM | #17 |
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