Moral high grounds

kat

I'm curious, which countries people feel are morally superior to Israel. Which countries do you feel have the moral high ground and Why?

FZ+

All nations that do not take on a retributionalist stance to security, seek to de-integrate religon and government, encourages free speech, abide by past treaties etc etc.

Zero

Alex, what is Canada?

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More generally, any country that doesn't answer terror with terror.

kat

Canada doesn't exactly have a pretty history either..acadians? wartime internment of Japanese Canadians? Quebec seperatism? treatment of their natives?

kat

Such as?

FZ+

The US prior to our dear old George Bush.
Canada (right now). Britain (at least we try to restore order after we bombed everything to bits, and let aid organisations do their work.) France. ([;)]) South Africa (Which pioneered truth and reconcilliation, and that eventually worked.) and so on.


Hmm... with canada you seem to be reaching into history. Of course there are bleak periods in the history of any nation. But in Israel, it's happening right now.

However, strange argument you are developing. Atrocities are ok, so long as other people have done them before? Sounds.... interesting.

Zero

No, the theory apparently is that it is ok, so long as you aren't as bad as someone, anyone else. Oh, and it helps to be Jewish, because after the Holocaust they apparently get a 'move to Israel and get out of human rights violations free" card.

kat

Don't put words into my post or my thread. The subject is moral high grounds, and which countries have it. If 30 years ago I murdered someone, 30 years pass and having not murdered another person..am I morally superior to someone murdering a person under similar circumstances today? I hardly think so.
So..again, which countries hold the moral high ground?

Zero

Hmmm...so doies that mean we can hate israel forever because of the terrorism of 50 years ago? In that case, no country has teh moral high ground...except probably Guam.

Zero

BTW, thisa doesn't make any sense. If the guy holding my job 30 years ago beat his wife, it doesn't mean I'm going to.

FZ+

Actually kat, you are really missing the point. Thw whole point of saying Israel has no moral high ground is in fact that on average, there is no such thing as a moral high ground. There is no such thing as "goodness credits", which say you can murder someone so long as you lead a nice happy life beforehand. russ's statement is undoubtedly wrong. Though Zero was goaded into being also inaccurate in his response.

But if we follow your curious argument, since Israel claims to be the oldest of all nations, all other nations can be judged as having the moral high ground because they simply have not existed long enough to kill so many people. For Israel, since the present government claim to be the inheritors of the biblical Israel, we can pull back all those genocides they and their god claim to have committed, and add up a figure larger than almost all other nations. The palestinians, arriving after the Israelites are now giving the moral high ground.

Zero

Israel has existed since 1947, right? So do they get a fresh slate?

FZ+

The Palestinian state doesn't exist. Does their slate remain permanently clean?[;)]

Zero

I'm thinking YES!! LOL

kat

The point? I think you need to re-read what I've posted.
You seem to be re-iterating what I've already said....

I'm sorry, I must be missing something..what curious argument is that that I've made????

Zero

I think we are all missing something...before things get too far afield, can we start again, at the first point of confusion?

FZ+

The point is that you are nit-picking at something that does not have significance - the whole point is that Israel does not have a moral high ground. But meanwhile, you make statements that lead to downright absurd conclusions. eg.

Where you somehow draw significance to historical incidents.