Integration Q: 1+2sin^2(x)^2 to 1-2sin^2(x)^2 from pi/6-3pi/6

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the functions (1+2sin²(x))² and (1-2sin²(x))² over specified intervals. Participants are exploring the equivalence of these integrals and the methods for evaluating them, including potential substitutions and trigonometric identities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their textbook claims the integrals of (1+2sin²(x))² from π+π/6 to π+3π/6 and (1-2sin²(x))² from π/6 to 3π/6 are equal, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant suggests making a substitution to show the equality of the integrals, although the specific substitution is not detailed.
  • A participant questions the correctness of the second function being (1-2sin²(x))² instead of (1+sin²(x))².
  • One participant proposes the substitution x=u-π, indicating that this could simplify the integration process.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the substitution and its implications, indicating a lack of understanding of the integration process.
  • A later reply raises skepticism about the integrals being equal, providing trigonometric identities that might simplify the integration and noting the differences in results from evaluating the integrals.
  • It is mentioned that the substitution z=u-π leads to a different sign in the integral, suggesting that the integrals may not be equivalent as initially claimed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the integrals are equivalent, with some supporting the textbook's claim and others questioning it based on their evaluations and substitutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the equality of the integrals.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for substitutions and trigonometric identities, but there are unresolved steps in the integration process and assumptions about the functions being integrated.

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My textbook did the following without giving an explanination. If anyone can fill me in it would be much appreciated.

the integration of (1+2*sin(x)^2)^2 from pi+pi/6 to pi+(3*pi)/6 is equal to
the integration of (1-2*sin(x)^2)^2 from pi/6 to (3*pi)/6.

thanks
 
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Is that what u have to show:
[tex]\int_{\pi+\frac{\pi}{6}}^{\pi+\frac{3\pi}{6}} (1+2\sin^{2}x)^{2} dx =<br /> \int_{\frac{\pi}{6}}^{\frac{3\pi}{6}} (1+2\sin^{2}x)^{2} dx[/tex]

?If,so make a substitution...An obvious one.

Daniel.
 
the second one is 1-sinx^2 not 1+sin^2...
 
dextercioby said:
Is that what u have to show:
[tex]\int_{\pi+\frac{\pi}{6}}^{\pi+\frac{3\pi}{6}} (1+2\sin^{2}x)^{2} dx =<br /> \int_{\frac{\pi}{6}}^{\frac{3\pi}{6}} (1+2\sin^{2}x)^{2} dx[/tex]

?If,so make a substitution...An obvious one.

Daniel.
Hey Daniel could you please show me how that'd be solved? I am just curious. I have an idea but I don't see it.

Thanks.
 
dextercioby said:
Try [tex]x=u-\pi[/tex]

Daniel.
Im only in calc2 right now and even that doesn't help me but I guess I will learn more as I finish the rest of my calc courses.

with x=u-pi x'=1 (if pi is a constant)

sorry i still don't see it lol
 
me neither...
 
[tex]dx=du[/tex]


Of course,but to wrote everything in terms of "u",u need to make the substitution both in the argument of [itex]\sin[/itex] and in the limits of integration.

Daniel.
 
Do you have any trig identity in mind?
Also, are we on the same page? Are we all talking about how (1+2*sin(x)^2)^2 from pi+pi/6 to pi+(3*pi)/6 is equal to (1-2*sin(x)^2)^2 from pi/6 to (3*pi)/6.
 
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Looking at the two equations, there is a lot of reason to be suspicious of the integrals being the same.
[tex]1-2sin^2u=cos2u; 1+2sin^2u=2-cos2u[/tex] (This might make integration a little easier.)

[tex]\int_{\pi/6}^{\pi/2}cos^2(2u)du =\pi/6-\sqrt3/16=.415[/tex]

While the other integral is [tex]3/2\pi-15/16\sqrt3 =6.336[/tex]

P.S. It should have been noted that sin(u-Pi) = -sin(u), but for the square, sin^2(u-Pi) = sin^2(u). Thus, as dextercioby suggests, the substitution z=u-Pi, reduces the integral between 7Pi/6 and 3Pi/2 to :

[tex]\int_\frac{\pi}{6}^\frac{\pi}{2}(1+2\sin^2z)^2dz[/tex]

This has a different sign than the other integral.
 
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