Gyroscopes for direct stabilization of aircraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the feasibility of using large gyroscopes for direct stabilization of aircraft, specifically in controlling yaw, pitch, and rotation. It considers theoretical applications, assumptions about power requirements, and comparisons to existing technologies in other fields, such as satellites and boats.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of using gyroscopes to produce a specific moment for an arbitrary length of time without increasing power requirements, suggesting it may be impossible.
  • Another participant proposes that if gyroscopes could resist rotation along perpendicular axes, a configuration of three gyroscopes could be used to control aircraft movement, but doubts arise about their effectiveness in canceling out gyroscopic effects.
  • A different participant notes that while gyroscopic devices are used in satellites, their application in aircraft is limited due to weight and the need for counter-rotation, suggesting that environmental methods for attitude control are more effective.
  • Another contribution references a Master Thesis on gyroscopic control in boats, indicating that similar principles could potentially apply to aircraft stabilization, though the context differs.
  • A colleague's idea about using gyroscopes for stabilization during vertical flight is mentioned, raising questions about the theoretical benefits of such an approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and effectiveness of gyroscopes for aircraft stabilization, with no consensus reached on the feasibility of the proposed ideas.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about power requirements and the effectiveness of gyroscopic stabilization are not fully explored. The discussion also highlights the limitations of current technologies and their applicability to aircraft.

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Is it possible to use big gyroscopes to directly control yaw, pitch and rotation of aircraft?

Let's make the assumption that the system must be able to produce a specific moment (force couple) for an arbitrary length of time, without the power necessary to do so increasing.

An example application could be to counteract the aerodynamic pitching moment from a wing, without using a tail.

My guess is that it is impossible to achieve what I've described above, but I have no proof. (1)


If gyroscopes had the ability to simply resist rotation along rotation-vectors perpendicular to their axies of rotation, one could put a pack of three perpendicular gyroscopes in the center of the plane, and then rotate the aircraft by turning this gyro-pack around in a calculated manner.

think three pairwise perpendicular gyroscopes spinning at the same rate would just cancel out, and would show no gyroscopic effects. (2)


Can anyone prove or give a counterexample for either of statements (1) and (2)?
 
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They do have such devices which they use in satellites.

The reason they don't include them with aircraft is that they would have to be extremely heavy to have any sort of an effect. Like the spacecraft version, they'd only be good for a certain period of time before they have to be counter-rotated ( spacecraft utilize thrusters to de-spin their gyros).

Those two factors (and others I'm sure) simply means that utilizing the environment for attitude control is much more effective.
 
I've read one Master Thesis on gyro's directlly controling things. The thing was acctually a boat though, not a plane. It circled large amounts of water through the hull and kept a straight course for the boat in a rough sea. Its not really a gyro you'd normally think of, but its the same princle...conservation of angular momentum. It should be on file somewhere at UCDavis if you care to take a gander.

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A colleague of mine thought of the idea of using gyroscopes to keep an aeroplane stabilised while in vertical flight. I was wondering if such a theory would be possible and what the benefits would actually be of using gyroscopic stabilization.


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