Is a Wave in Quantum Mechanics Ever in Freefall?

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The discussion centers on the nature of waves in quantum mechanics, particularly whether they can be conceptualized as being in freefall, similar to particles. Participants explore the implications of this idea within the framework of quantum mechanics and gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that particles can be described by a position in space, while waves are spread out and do not have a defined position, making the concept of freefall inapplicable to waves.
  • Others suggest that while waves cannot be treated as freefalling in a classical sense, they can be analyzed using the Schrödinger equation with gravitational potential, although this approach lacks relativistic invariance.
  • One participant notes that the treatment of waves in a gravitational context is theoretically possible but not applicable in extreme gravitational situations, such as near a black hole.
  • A question is raised regarding whether a wave could be described as a field, indicating a different perspective on the nature of waves in quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether waves can be conceptualized as being in freefall, with multiple competing views presented regarding the implications of gravity on wave behavior in quantum mechanics.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on the applicability of non-relativistic quantum mechanics in gravitational contexts and the unresolved nature of how waves are fundamentally described in relation to fields.

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In QM, particles are treated as either waves or particles, a duality exists. A test particle in freefall is used in all manner of ways to explain certain phenonema.

Can the same experiments be equivilent to waves?..can a wave be explained in any way as in 'freefall'?
 
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I'd have to say no.

A particle by its very nature can be described by a position in space. In other words you can tell me where it is, but a wave is streched out over a long(at least longer that point particle) section of space. It makes no sense to speak of a wave as having a "position" so it cannot make sense for you to speak of it free falling.
 
No you can't. You would have to look at it in a different way. You normally solve the Schrödinger equation to find the wavefunction. In a system with gravity you add the gravitational potential to the Schrödinger equation and then solve it. This is of course not relativistically invariant. But what you find is more or less the same as a particle in a potential well, with bound and free states. I read a Nature article on this once. Perhaps you can find something on it there.
 
I think you can, but as heumpje says, it will not be relativisticaly invariant. Actually, you do the same thing when solving one electron problems with the Schrödinger equation. In principle, the problem is already solved, you only have to change a few constants in the solution for the hydrogen problem, but it would be of litle interest because there is no situation in nature where a non relativistic aproximation of gravitation interaction at the quantum level is valid. For example, we wouldn't be able to use that solution on the surface of a black hole where gravity is so intense and thus has to be treated relativisticaly.
 
wouldn't a wave be described by a field?
 

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