Phenomenological quantum gravity

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The discussion revolves around phenomenological quantum gravity (QG), exploring its implications, recent developments, and the methodologies used to identify signatures of various QG models in observable phenomena. Participants reference specific papers and express opinions on the growth of this research field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the field of QG phenomenology is rapidly growing, with many recent papers and references available.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between phenomenological QG and QG phenomenology, with one participant suggesting a keyword search to clarify this.
  • One participant highlights a specific paper by Smolin that makes falsifiable predictions related to quantum gravity, suggesting it is a significant contribution to the field.
  • Another participant mentions a related thread that discusses the search for quantum gravity signals, indicating that QG phenomenology aims to identify observable signatures of different QG models.
  • Concerns are raised about the author's approach in a referenced paper, suggesting it focuses on establishing error bars for Lorentz Invariance rather than ruling out specific theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the significance and methodologies of phenomenological quantum gravity, with no clear consensus on the definitions or implications of the term. Disagreement exists regarding the effectiveness of certain approaches in the field.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the author's non-native English background as a potential factor in the clarity of the paper. There are also indications that the discussion may involve assumptions about the definitions and scope of phenomenological quantum gravity that remain unresolved.

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Phenomenological Qunatum Gravity: the birth of a new frontier?
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0501581

If you can overlook the spelling error in the title, it is otherwise an entertaining read.
 
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Chronos said:
Phenomenological Qunatum Gravity: the birth of a new frontier?
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0501581

If you can overlook the spelling error in the title, it is otherwise an entertaining read.

This could be the start of an interesting thread on QG Phenomenology.
The paper makes it clear that a lot has been written recently---it is a rapidly growing field of research.
It gives a bunch of references to QGP papers.
Another way to get a QG Phenomenology reading list is to put
Amelino-Camelia into the arxiv search engine

Chronos is phenomenological QG the same as QG phenom? Sounds like a silly question. Must be. I will try a keyword search and see what turns up.

http://arxiv.org/find/grp_physics/1/AND+abs:+AND+quantum+gravity+abs:+phenomenology/0/1/0/all/0/1

this was for keywords quantum gravity phenom in the abstract and produced 93 titles (predictably a fair number are by Amelino-Camelia)

This search misses what is, in my view (and I expect also in yours Chronos) the most hard-core QG phenom paper to appear so far:
Smolin's Falsifiable Predictions...
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0501091
where he lays his stack of chips on the GLAST 2007 line.
 
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wolram has this related thread
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=61618
"The Search for Quantum Gravity Signals"

I guess that is what QG Phenomenology is about---figuring out ways in which the different QG models can leave their signature in the phenomena we observe

wolram flags a good recent paper there
 
Indeed, the paper referenced by wolram is quite similar - and a lot bigger. Aloisio et al made liberal reference to papers by Amelino-Camelia, so it's fair to say the term phenomenology is used with the same intent. I agree wrt Smolin, he appears to be among the few who are not catagelophobic
 
Chronos said:
Phenomenological Qunatum Gravity: the birth of a new frontier?
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0501581

It isn't relevant to the physics, but the fact that the author's native language isn't English is pretty clear.

It also sounds like a lot of the effort is "backwards". He is basically preparing error bars around how precisely we can show Lorentz Invariance is accurate, so as to rule out some theories, but not others.
 

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