|Jul21-12, 09:02 AM||#52|
Are physicists underpaid or is it a misconception?
|Jul22-12, 11:48 PM||#53|
Also, it may hurt you if their view is too positive. You can be overqualified, and sometimes you *are* overqualified. For example, if you are selling X, you often don't want people that are too smart or think too much. If they are too smart, then might have think deeply about whether X is a good product and they may have moral issues if they conclude that it isn't.
One thing that employers wonder about Ph.D.'s is if they will get bored with the work. That's not an illegitimate worry. This goes to the point that many of the reasons that employers have for not hiring Ph.D.'s are valid ones, and maybe they *shouldn't* hire a physics Ph.D.
Also people have complicated motivations. There is a part of my brain that keeps telling me that I'm a failure because I'm not a professor, and part of the reason I behave in the way that I do is to tell that part of my brain to shut up.
If part of me views myself with contempt and loathing, then I'm pretty sure that lots of other people do it. Part of the reason that I've found philosophy to be useful is that it's useful to figure out where that voice comes from and what to do about it.
|Jul23-12, 02:13 AM||#54|
I've studied engineering physics myself so that I could get engineering degree which is much more valuable and respected in my country than science degree. And yes - I can do master and then PhD in both physics and engineering but it doesn't change the fact that I'm not prepared as well as "pure" majors. I've taken all physics courses which weren't included in my major so you could say I have double major in both physics and engineering physics (in my country you don't have majors at all but you can study two subjects)
So I think that if you don't want waste your time you shouldn't bother with some strange hybrids.
|Jul23-12, 07:20 AM||#55|
Now as far as your other points, I would like to note the following:
(1) PhD's being bored with their unique -- this is not unique to physics. Someone with a PhD in say, psychology, will face similar hurdles.
(2) Employers in the "big three" industries you have identified (finance, defence, oil & gas) do not seem to be concerned that the PhDs they hire will be bored with the work. Is there something unique about these industries in terms of their willingness to hire "smart" people?
(3) As far as a concern that "smart" employees may start to think too deeply about product X, and the ethical concerns resulting from this -- I would somehow think that this would be of much greater concern in finance, defence, or oil & gas than in many other industries, given the nature of the work involved.
|Jul23-12, 10:52 PM||#56|
2) Also, a lot depends on the type of work. Most jobs in finance involve typing numbers into spreadsheets, and for those types of jobs, Ph.D.'s are usually considered vastly overqualified.
In practice if you interviewing for a company that wants you to shut your brain off, there isn't that much you can do. That's why it's important not to get hired by that company in the first place. One of the best decisions that I made was to tell my recruiter that I didn't want to work for group Y in company X because I had a bad feeling about them from the interview.
The good news was that when company X fell apart and destroyed the world, I wasn't part of the mess, but rather I found myself part of the crew cleaning up the mess. The bad news was that my not working for company X was "selfish" in the sense that it made me feel better, but they hired someone else, and blew up the world anyway.
There's actually a reverse Darwin effect I've seen. Company X does stupid things. The things are so stupid that no one with brains or conscience will work for them. Which means that they hire stupid people, and they do even more stupid things.
I'm more afraid of stupidity than I am of evil. If I give a machine gun or an atomic bomb to say a Mafia hitman or Josef Stalin, I can reason with him. As long as I'm in the same room as Josef Stalin, he won't blow up the bomb because it will kill him, and someone who is evil but rational can be reasoned with. Now if the person doesn't understand that the button is connected to the atomic bomb, then I'm sunk.
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