Understanding Partial Differentiation: Recognizing Quadric Surfaces

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The discussion revolves around the concept of partial differentiation, particularly in the context of quadric surfaces and optimization of multivariable functions. Participants explore the differences between normal differentiation and partial differentiation, as well as the implications of these concepts in real-world applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the differences between normal differentiation and partial differentiation, with one suggesting that partial differentiation is an "upgrade" in handling functions of multiple variables.
  • There is a discussion on how to compute the rate of change of a function with respect to one variable while holding others constant, with a mathematical representation provided.
  • One participant mentions challenges in finding the global optimum of functions with multiple variables, referencing methods like Monte Carlo simulation for optimization.
  • Another participant describes the relationship between directional derivatives and partial derivatives, emphasizing the geometric interpretation of these concepts.
  • There is a mention of using Taylor series to approximate functions and the significance of second derivatives in determining the nature of critical points (minima, maxima, or saddle points).
  • Participants discuss the importance of recognizing the shapes of quadric surfaces from their equations and the relationships between coefficients that determine these shapes.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to partial differentiation and optimization, with no clear consensus on the best methods or interpretations. Multiple competing views remain regarding the application and implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully explored, particularly in the context of optimization techniques and the geometric interpretations of derivatives. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in recognizing quadric surfaces from their equations.

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How is it different (or how upgraded) is it from normal diffrentiation?
 
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Is normal differentiation defined for functions of more than one variable?
 
That's an interesting choise of words..."Upgrade"... :-p

Okay.Think of a function who has 2 INDEPENDENT variables [itex]z=z(x,y)[/itex] which means that the values of "x" are totally independent of the values of "y"...U want to calculate the RATE OF CHANGE OF "z" WRT "x"...How do you do that??Simple,u fix "y" (which means that in the "z" function the variable "y" becomes a constant) and then compute the ordinary derivative of "z" wrt "x"...Just like in the case of univariable functions.
Mathematically

[tex]\frac{\partial z(x,y)}{\partial x} =:\frac{dz(x,y)}{dx}|_{y=const.}[/tex]

Daniel.

P.S.Mathematicians could give a geometric interpretation as well...
 
Bladibla,

This thread may help.
 
That gives you a function which describes the rate of change of z only in respect to x, correct?

I've encountered in the past some real-world problems where I needed to optimize a function which took multiple variables.

While at any given point I could optimize the function for a given variable, the "global optimum" proved elusive.

I ran across one method do optimize, a numerical and graphical approach called Monte Carlo simulation, or some such.
 
given a function f"R^n-->R, and a point a in R^n, just compose with a linear function R-->R^n taking 0 to a. Then the derivative of the composition R-->R^n-->R is the dirtectional derivative of f in the direction of the velocity vector of the curve

R-->R^n.

If the linear function R-->R^n happens to be ionclusion of one of the standard axes of R^n, we call the derivative of the composite the partial derivative wrt the given axis variable.

i.e. partial derivatives are directional derivatives in the standard axis directions.
 
DoubleMike said:
That gives you a function which describes the rate of change of z only in respect to x, correct?

I've encountered in the past some real-world problems where I needed to optimize a function which took multiple variables.

While at any given point I could optimize the function for a given variable, the "global optimum" proved elusive.

Umm, hmm. If I remember my multivariable calc right, this optimization involves setting the gradient of the function equal to zero and then testing a whole bunch of points and doing all sorts of checking to see whether you have a max, min, or saddle point. Wow...It's been a while. Need to review...
 
a function is approxiamted most simply by its atngenjt line, the linearv etrm of a taylor series. if that term is zero then the enxt piece of information is the second order etrm of the taylor sseries, i.e. the parabola defined by the second derivatives.

if that parabola is right side up, there is a min, if upside down, there is a max,...


similarly for a function of several variables, the first approximation is by the linear terms of the taylor series, i.e. the tangent plane to the graph. i.e. the plane prthogonal to the gradient vector. iof that vector is zero then the enxt approximation is given by the quadratic terms of the taylor series, i.e. by the approximating quadric surface defined by the second derivatives.

if that quadric surface is a right side up paraboloiud, it is a min, if an upside down paraboloid, it is a max, if a saddle surface, it is neither.

one needs then to know how to recognize these quadric surfaces from their equations

ax^2 + bxy + cy^2, and know what relations between a,b,c, tells you the shape. of course basically the three cases are x^2 + y^2, -x^2 - y^2, and x^2 - y^2.
 

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