Is there an easy way to 'destroy' plastic?

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The discussion revolves around methods to "destroy" or biodegrade plastic, exploring both biological and chemical approaches. Participants examine the potential of certain bacteria, biodegradable materials, and innovative products aimed at reducing plastic waste.

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  • Some participants inquire about the ability of bacteria to break down plastic and whether simple chemicals can be added to plastics to facilitate this process.
  • One participant mentions a biodegradable cell phone that can be planted after use, suggesting a novel approach to plastic disposal.
  • Shipping peanuts made from corn starch are noted for their ability to dissolve in water, with some participants discussing their biodegradability.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and implications of consuming biodegradable packing materials, with anecdotes shared about their taste and appearance.
  • There is mention of Astra Zeneca's efforts to create biodegradable products like razors and shampoo bottles.
  • Some participants discuss the potential of genetically engineered bacteria designed to consume plastics and the risks associated with their uncontrolled release into the environment.
  • Bioremediation is referenced as a related concept, with discussions on bacteria that can consume hydrocarbons and their implications for oil spills and extraction processes.
  • Participants note the existence of biodegradable grocery bags on the market as an example of current solutions.

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Participants express a variety of viewpoints on the effectiveness and safety of different methods for degrading plastic, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of using engineered bacteria.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the efficiency and environmental impact of biodegradable materials, as well as the potential risks of using genetically modified organisms in ecological contexts.

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I wasn't sure whether to put this in bio or chem, so I put it in bio.

Environmentalists always argue that plastic takes thousands of years to break down, so is there any way to turn large amounts of plastic into something that doesn't harm the environment? Are certain bacteria able to break down plastic? Is there a simple chemical that can be added to most plastics to turn them into material which can be broken down by bacteria?
 
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Both of these approaches are explored. I don't know how much success they have had on all fronts, but I recently heard of a cell phone company that announced the promotion of biodegradable cell phones that come pre-seeded. When the phone is ready for the trash, just pull apart the plastic case and plant it. The plastic degrades quickly in the moist soil and sunflowers springs up from the seeds in the plastic.
 
There are also shipping peanuts made from corn starch. These melt in water almost immediately. There are also plastics made from corn oil. I believe that these plastics are biodegradable.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
There are also shipping peanuts made from corn starch. These melt in water almost immediately.

Wha...?
 
cepheid said:
Wha...?

Yes, the first time I saw these, I was really concerned about the guy eating them!
 
Ivan Seeking said:
I recently heard of a cell phone company that announced the promotion of biodegradable cell phones that come pre-seeded. When the phone is ready for the trash, just pull apart the plastic case and plant it. The plastic degrades quickly in the moist soil and sunflowers springs up from the seeds in the plastic.

Strange, but true, check this out for info on the biodegradable phones, or a search under google scholar for "biodegradable plastics" brought up almost 5000 hits.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Yes, the first time I saw these, I was really concerned about the guy eating them!

I got a massive box full of those once, just potato starch. They were shaped just like, and tasted almost like, Cheesy Wotsits. Probably ate 3 cubic feet before I started to feel ill, they just vanished in your mouth.

edit: oh yeah, the actual point of my post...

Astra Zeneca have their "BioPol" division, they're currently either making, or looking at making, biodegradable disposable razors, shampoo bottles and golf tees.
 
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I prefer using popcorn as packing material (much tastier than cornstarch), though I guess our radiation safety dept would have fits if our suppliers shipped stuff to the lab packed in popcorn. :smile:
 
I saw at one time that the popcorn solution was growing in popularity. It may be pretty energy inefficient as compared to the starch peanuts, but who knows? Maybe someone could take a look at this as a school project.
http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-1564

Edit: As for the original question and existing stockpiles of plastic, I know that designer bugs are all the rage in some camps. Genetically engineered bacteria designed to eat specific materials, like plastic, is the goal.

One related thought. Bacteria designed to consume crude oil, say in the case of an oil spill, are also considered. The problem is, what if someone drops these bugs into known oil reserves? The potential for disaster is mind boggling. The solution is to design death clocks into the bugs to prevent runaways, but of course, something could go wrong.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
One related thought. Bacteria designed to consume crude oil, say in the case of an oil spill, are also considered. The problem is, what if someone drops these bugs into known oil reserves? The potential for disaster is mind boggling. The solution is to design death clocks into the bugs to prevent runaways, but of course, something could go wrong.

Yeah and it is called bioremediation. These bacteria normally occur in the environment and can use hydrocarbones as carbon source. I remember correctly, some of these bacteria are already causing problem in certain type of oil extraction process.

In my old department, some profs were looking at cold adapted bacteria to help in bioremediation. (http://www.nrs.mcgill.ca/microbiology/greer/index.htm; http://www.nrs.mcgill.ca/whyte/).

An for plastics, there is actually biodegradable grocery plastic bag on the market.
http://www.ecoproducts.com/Business/packaging/bags.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waste/story/0,12188,893794,00.html
 
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