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The discussion centers on the recognition of antisymmetric wave functions and their compliance with the Pauli exclusion principle in quantum mechanics. Participants highlight the "tidy function" represented as fi=X(1)X(2)alfa(1)beta(2) for two electrons, which exhibits antisymmetry. Despite the mathematical complexity, no simple explanation is provided, and existing literature fails to clarify these concepts effectively. The consensus is that while the principles yield satisfactory results, they remain fundamentally postulated and unprovable.

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:cry: We found that "tidy function" exists, when wave function intepreted as
fi=X(1)X(2)alfa(1)beta(2) for two electrons is antisymetric and fill Pauli rule. But we were unable to find an simple explanation for it. And believe us, none book was able to "show us the door". Thanks for any explanation or better an "undead" link to this topic. PL.
 
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What do you mean by "simple explanation"...?It's a postulate.It cannot be proven,no matter how we would REformulate QM...It gives hypersatisfactory results,therefore it's good as it is. :wink:

There's a lotta maths behind it...But i think no "simple explanation"...

Daniel.
 
neostart said:
:cry: We found that "tidy function" exists, when wave function intepreted as
fi=X(1)X(2)alfa(1)beta(2) for two electrons is antisymetric and fill Pauli rule. But we were unable to find an simple explanation for it. And believe us, none book was able to "show us the door". Thanks for any explanation or better an "undead" link to this topic. PL.

What are you asking ? Are you asking : "why anti-symmetric" or "why do anti-symmetric wavefunctions respect the Pauli exlcusion principle ?"

Or something else?

marlon
 

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