Why does F'(x-ct) equal Dy/Dx in the wave equation for a string?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the derivatives of a function describing the transverse displacement of a wave on a string, specifically addressing why F'(x-ct) is equal to Dy/Dx in the context of the wave equation for a string.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the wave equation for an infinite length string and questions the relationship between F'(x-ct) and Dy/Dx, expressing confusion over the implications of the equality.
  • Post 2 asks whether the partial derivative of F(x-ct) with respect to x equals F'(x-ct), seeking clarification on the notation.
  • Post 3 claims to have concluded that Dy/Dx equals F'(x-ct) after testing several functions and taking partial derivatives, asserting their equality.
  • Post 4 provides a mathematical expression to illustrate the derivative process, confirming the relationship in a detailed manner.
  • Post 5 agrees with the previous points and states that they have verified the relationship between Dy/Dt and Dy/Dx, reinforcing the earlier claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the mathematical relationship between the derivatives, particularly that Dy/Dx equals F'(x-ct), though the initial confusion expressed in Post 1 indicates that not all aspects of the discussion are settled.

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Some participants rely on specific examples and functions to support their claims, which may depend on the definitions and assumptions made about the function F and its derivatives.

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Assume the well known PDE of an infinite length string

D^2(y)/Dt^2 = c^2* ( D^2(y)/Dx^2)

where y=y(x,t) is the transverse displacement of the string.
D/Dx= partial derivative with respect to x
D/Dt= partial derivative with respect to t
c= velocity of the wave

According to Morse and Ingard's Theoretical Acoustics (page 97), if the shape of the string is described by the function y(x,t)=F(x-ct), then Dy/Dt= -c*F'(x-ct)= -c*Dy/Dx (Where F'(z)= the derivative of F with respect to z).

I found the last statement a little bit confusing. Could anyone explain why F'(x-ct)=Dy/Dx ? Obviously if F'(x-ct)=Dy/Dt then a constrain is put on c which is not correct...
 
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What is [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}F(x-ct)[/itex]?

Does it equal [itex]F'(x-ct)[/itex]?
 
I have concluded that Dy/Dx=F'(x-ct) after working with some examples.
So I wrote down several functions with (x-ct) as an argument and I took the partial derivative with respect to x. Then I took the derivative with respect to the argument as a whole (z=(x-ct) ) to form F'(x-ct). They are equal. Done.
 
Did u write everything in one line like i did?? :wink: :-p

[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}=\frac{dF(x-vt)}{d(x-vt)}\frac{\partial (x-vt)}{\partial x}=\frac{dF(x-vt)}{d(x-vt)}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
Exactly!

I have done the same both for Dy/Dx and Dy/Dt to verify that Dy/Dt=-c*Dy/Dx

Thanks.
 

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