Gravity: Strength in Weakness: CSM

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dark matter and its implications for our understanding of gravity and the universe. Participants explore various theories regarding the nature of dark matter, its potential origins, and its role in cosmic structure, while also addressing related concepts such as dark energy and the distribution of mass in the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that dark matter could be more accurately described as "excess gravity," questioning the conventional understanding of its role in the universe.
  • One participant cites WMAP results indicating that dark matter constitutes approximately 23% of the universe's mass, challenging the claim that it makes up more than 90%.
  • Another participant mentions that about 70% of the universe is attributed to dark energy, which is linked to the accelerating expansion of the universe.
  • There is a claim that only about 4% of the universe is composed of baryonic matter, emphasizing the insignificance of visible matter in the grand scheme.
  • One participant proposes a theory suggesting that excess gravity could originate from matter absorbed into black holes throughout cosmic history.
  • Another participant expresses optimism about upcoming observational advancements that may provide clearer insights into dark matter and its properties.
  • One participant proposes an alternative model where gravity decreases with distance as \(\frac{1}{r}\) instead of \(\frac{1}{r^2}\), claiming to have proof for this assertion.
  • A suggestion is made to continue the discussion in the Theory Development category, indicating interest in further exploration of the proposed ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and significance of dark matter, with no consensus reached on its properties or the validity of alternative theories presented. Multiple competing models and hypotheses remain under discussion.

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Some claims rely on specific interpretations of observational data, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the alternative models proposed. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and definitions that may not be universally accepted.

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For decades astronomers have been perplexed by so-called "dark matter" in our universe. It might be slightly more accurate to call dark matter "excess gravity," as what astronomer actually observe is gravitational force pulling stuff together where no matter appears to be present. This dark matter is currently measured to make up more than 90% of the mass of our universe, and has such intimate affects as holding our Milky Way galaxy together.

Is this extra gravity in fact coming from another brane, an entirely different universe? When we map the distribution of dark matter around our galaxy, are we in fact creating the first map of a parallel universe? Did the pull of gravity from another brane influence the way the structure of our universe formed and evolved? In the end it will all come down to gravity, and what its weakness tells us about the structure of reality.

Comments? How popular is this notion? I have read about this quite a few times...and Kaku often references this point.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0924/p25s01-stss.html
 
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This will likely be the start of a quite lengthy thread.

Just to take one point:
This dark matter is currently measured to make up more than 90% of the mass of our universe

The first year's WMAP results (http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_mm.html) suggest (cold) dark matter makes up only ~23%, with neutrinos (hot dark matter) another <1%.
 
Just to complete the picture, the remaining stuff (about 70%) is "dark energy" or something like it (Einstein's cosmological constant?), which is responsible for the observation that the expansion of the universe is accelerating.
 
Oh, and just BTW, ~4% is made up of 'us stuff' (baryonic matter).

Not only is the Earth not the centre of the universe

Not only is the solar system ...

... {space to fill in your favourites}

... but everything that we can see, feel, touch, ... it's just a 'minor ingredient'.

Humility anyone?
 
In my theory (see "new theory of universe creation" in the theory development category) the excess gravity could be the matter taken into black holes since the dawn of time.
 
I do so like the analogy of the water-skeeter!
 
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Is this extra gravity in fact coming from another brane, an entirely different universe?
The really cool thing about 'dark matter' is that we should soon start seeing some quite concrete predictions from various theories as to what it is. Even better, as the detritus of the Sag and Car dwarf galaxies becomes better mapped, as various 'dark matter telescopes' come on stream, as AMANDA II (and others) starts working, as LIGO (etc) settles down, GLAST is launched, ... there'll be at least an order of magnitude improvement in observational constraints over the next five years or so.

Now would be a good time for those with theories to start making firm predictions about what all these wonderful instruments and experiments will actually 'see'!
 
Continue this discussion in Theory Development?

OMF,

I had a look at your earlier posts, and feel that you ideas are worth discussing under Theory Development. If you'd care to start a thread there, I'll gladly comment on your idea, its match to observations, and pose some questions which you might like to consider.
 

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