Mastering Mathematical Proofs: Solving the Universe's Integers with a-3b and a+b

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical proof concerning the relationship between the expressions a-3b and a+b, specifically addressing the condition that if a-3b is even, then a+b is also even. Participants explore various approaches to manipulate the expressions and clarify the logic behind the proof.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that there are three cases to consider based on the parity of a and b: both odd, both even, or one of each.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that if a-3b is even, it can be expressed as 2k for some integer k.
  • Some participants express confusion about how to manipulate the equation to isolate a+b and relate it to an even number.
  • There is a suggestion to add 4b to both sides of the equation to help derive a+b.
  • One participant questions the necessity of focusing on a-3b=2k, suggesting that understanding the properties of even numbers might suffice.
  • Another participant confirms that if both a-3b and 4b are even, then their sum a+b must also be even.
  • There is a recognition that the proof does not explicitly state that a and b are both even, leading to further discussion about the implications of the given conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the proof, with no clear consensus on the most effective method to demonstrate the relationship between a-3b and a+b. Some participants agree on the properties of even numbers, while others remain uncertain about the manipulation of the expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the challenge of separating the terms in the expression due to the presence of the coefficient 3, which complicates the manipulation of the equation. There is also an acknowledgment that the proof must be logically sound without assuming additional properties of a and b beyond what is given.

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We are given the following statement: The universe is all integers. If a-3b is even, then a+b is even. I began off with saying that 3 cases exist: a is odd and b is even, a is even and b is odd, both a and b are odd, and both a and b are even. After this point I got really confused and lost. Can someone please point me in the right direction?
 
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hint, if a number is even, then it can be written as [tex]2k[/tex] where k is an integer.

since they tell you that a - 3b is even, then that means

[tex]a - 3b = 2k[/tex]

for some integer k.
 
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think about the difference between those two expressions
 
I don't understand what you mean when you say a-3b=2k. How does that help you?
 
try to manipulate that equation, so you have a + b on one side, and on the other you have 2* some integer.



edit: I edited the above post, to try to make it more clear
 
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I realize that I just sound really stupid right now; but it's been a while since I've really done any math per say. I don't think any way exists to end up with a+b on one side with 2* something on the other side. The problem exists because of the 3, no matter what happens, there is no way to separate the 3 from the b, and still end up with a+b. Is there?
 
start by trying to obtain a + b on the left side. Remeber, anything you do on the left side you also have to do on the right side.

you can do this by adding 4b to both sides, and simplifying :smile:
 
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Why worry about a-3b=2k? Why not just remember that the sum of two even numbers is an even number?

Doug
 
Do you mean a+b = 2(k+2b)?
 
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Mathechyst said:
Why worry about a-3b=2k? Why not just remember that the sum of two even numbers is an even number?

Doug
where does it say that a and b are both even?
 
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CollectiveRocker said:
Do you mean a+b = 2(k+2b)?
yep... since k + 2b is an integer, then 2(k + 2b) is even, therefore, a + b is even. The trickiest part of this proof, is just knowing that if a number is even then it can be written as 2 * an integer.
 
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It doesn't. It just says that if a-3b is even, then a+b is even. Then we are supposed to prove that statement any way possible which makes logical sense.
 
  • #13
MathStudent said:
where does it say that a and b are both even?

It doesn't but (a-3b)+c is even if a-3b and c are both even.

Doug
 
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Thank you so much guys, for sticking with me.
 
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Mathechyst said:
Why worry about a-3b=2k? Why not just remember that the sum of two even numbers is an even number?

Doug

Yes. This is what I was thinking too:

a+b = (a-3b) + (4b)

Since a-3b is given as even, and since 4b is even... and since the sum of two even numbers is even we know that a+b is even.
 
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Mathechyst said:
It doesn't but (a-3b)+c is even if a-3b and c are both even.

Doug
I see what you mean ... doesn't seem like either way is faster, but its good to know both :smile: .


edit: Actually I take that back, your method is a little faster, in that you don't have any manipulating to do.
 
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