Distributive property-Subtraction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the distributive property of multiplication and the interpretation of subtraction in mathematical expressions. Participants explore how to apply the distributive property to expressions involving addition and multiplication, as well as the relationship between subtraction and addition through the concept of additive inverses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to apply the distributive property to the expression (a+b)(c+d) using the definitions of multiplication.
  • Another participant clarifies that the expression a-b-c+d-e can be interpreted as a sum, specifically as a+(-b)+(-c)+d+(-e), suggesting that subtraction is shorthand for addition of additive inverses.
  • A participant challenges the definition of -x as (-1)x, proposing that it should be proven rather than defined, and provides a proof involving the properties of real numbers.
  • Further clarification is provided that there are only two operations: multiplication and addition, with subtraction being a notation for addition of an additive inverse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of subtraction as addition of additive inverses. However, there is a lack of consensus on the definition versus proof of the relationship between -x and (-1)x.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various interpretations of subtraction and its relationship to addition, which may depend on the definitions and properties accepted by participants. The proofs provided are based on specific axioms of real numbers and may not be universally accepted without further context.

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Hi everybody,
1) We have defined the distributive propery of multiplication like this:
a(b+c)=ab+ac and (a+b)c=ac+bc . So when we have (a+b)(c+d) , how do we get the result using the above definition? We just consider one of the parentheses as one number so we get (a+b)c+(a+b)d for example(we think of (a+b) as a number g?)?

2) And one more thing: we define -x as the number that when added to x gives a sum 0. We also define that -x=(-1)x and a-b=a+(-b) (definition od subtraction). So when we have an expression like this: a-b-c+d-e this is considered a sum ? I mean the minus signs in the above expression show subtraction or the above is the same (i mean not only in the result but also in the interpretation of it) as this: a+(-b)+(-c)+d+(-e) ?

The 1st refers to multiplication of reals or generally for scalar multiplication in a vector space or multiplication in a field
The 2nd refers to reals but also generally to addition in a vector space

They may be silly questions but i like to understand things by using only the definitions

Thanks
 
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You're right about 1)
As for 2)
We do NOT define -x=(-1)*x, we prove that statement as follows:
a) For any real number "a", we have a*0=0
PROOF:
z=a*0=a*(0+0)=a*0+a*0=z+z, that is: z=z+z
But, since "z" is a real number, it has an additive inverse -z:
z+(-z)=z+z+(-z) which means 0=z.
which was what we should prove.
b) The additive inverse of a number is unique:
Proof:
Suppose z2 was an additive inverse to z other than (-z).
Then:
0=z+z2, adding (-z) to both sides yields:
(-z)=z2

c) Since x=1*x, we have:
x+(-1)*x=x*1+x*(-1)=x*(1+(-1))=x*0=0, by a).
Bot from b), it then follows that (-1)*x=(-x)
 
Thanks for your answer. I think that one part was not answered:

"So when we have an expression like this: a-b-c+d-e this is considered a sum ? I mean the minus signs in the above expression show subtraction or the above is the same (i mean not only in the result but also in the interpretation of it) as this: a+(-b)+(-c)+d+(-e) ?"
 
Oh, yes:
In this perspective, there exists only two operations: Multiplication and addition.
The subtraction a-b is a short-hand notation for the addition a+(-b)
 

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