What is a Radioisotope Glove Box?

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The discussion revolves around the reported loss of plutonium at the BNFL plant in Sellafield, UK, specifically addressing the implications of a 'paper loss' of 30 kg of plutonium during the reprocessing of nuclear fuel. Participants explore the accuracy of measurement processes, the historical context of record-keeping, and the security measures in place at the facility.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding whether the reported 30 kg loss is within the margin of error of measurement or if it exceeds expected discrepancies due to handling and measurement challenges.
  • Others note that different sources report varying amounts of unaccounted plutonium, ranging from 30 to 80 kg, and highlight that the loss is attributed to handling routines and measurement calculations rather than theft.
  • A participant provides context on the historical record-keeping practices at Sellafield, suggesting that bookkeeping errors could contribute to the reported loss over time.
  • Dr. Gregory Greenman argues that given the large volume of spent nuclear fuel processed, a loss of 30 kg is relatively minor and may reflect effective operational practices rather than significant issues.
  • Another participant emphasizes the stringent security measures at Sellafield, suggesting that the likelihood of theft is low due to the controlled environment in which plutonium is handled.
  • Dr. Greenman further explains that measurement inaccuracies can accumulate over time, leading to a perceived loss of material that is not actually missing but rather unaccounted for due to rounding and measurement limits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of the reported plutonium loss, with some suggesting it is a minor issue within acceptable measurement error, while others raise concerns about the implications of unaccounted material. There is no consensus on whether the loss is typical or indicative of deeper issues.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in measurement accuracy, the historical context of record-keeping, and the complexities of handling nuclear materials, which may contribute to the reported discrepancies.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in nuclear engineering, regulatory practices in nuclear facilities, and the implications of measurement accuracy in high-stakes environments may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi
The BNFL plant at Sellafield in the UK is reported to have ‘lost’ 30kg of plutonium in the reprocessing nuclear fuel. It is reported as a paper loss due to the limits of accurate measurement within the process. Due to the lack of information in the news reports I am left a little confused. Are they saying then had x kg ± y kg at the start of the process now they have x-30 kg where 30kg is within the boundaries of the margin of error. Or is the 30Kg more then one expect to have to account for given the problems of measurement in the process

Kieron
 
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Depending on which newspaper you read, between 30 and 80kg was unaccounted for. Officially, it hasn't been lost or stolen, but apparently fuel can occasionally get misplaced during handling routines (!), and the 'paper loss' claim was also used. Apparently at various stages in the process, the amount of plutonium has to be calculated rather than measured, and this has also been reported as a cause of the error.

This 'misplaced' plutonium has been reported more than once (in 2001 5.6kg was unaccounted for, in 1999 24.9kg), and these amounts are totals for the entire year and not just overnight. Newspapers and action groups argue "how can BNFL say that it hasn't been stolen?", a question which is easily answered merely by looking at the amount of security around Sellafield.

Morbius?
 
Here is some background on Sellafield.

http://www.bellona.no/en/energy/nuclear/sellafield/wp_5-2001/21736.html

The question is how many tonnes of spent fuel has been reprocessed. Then how much of that was Pu. In 1 metric ton (1000 kg of spent fuel) there might be 10 to 30 kg Pu. If several hundred (or thousands) of metric tons of spent fuel was reprocessed, it is conceivable that an uncertainty of 30 kg's of Pu might accumulate through a combination of book-keeping errors and simple loss into the waste stream a few grams at a time.

Records keeping between 1950 and up to the end of the 1970's was largely paper, which was then transferred to computer (perhaps). The was before the digital age of PCs and large networks.
 
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Kieron said:
Hi
The BNFL plant at Sellafield in the UK is reported to have ‘lost’ 30kg of plutonium in the reprocessing nuclear fuel. It is reported as a paper loss due to the limits of accurate measurement within the process. Due to the lack of information in the news reports I am left a little confused. Are they saying then had x kg ± y kg at the start of the process now they have x-30 kg where 30kg is within the boundaries of the margin of error. Or is the 30Kg more then one expect to have to account for given the problems of measurement in the process

Kieron

Kieron,

Given that the BNFL plant at Sellafield has reprocessed many, many
TONS of spent nuclear fuel - 30 Kg is not a lot. One full core load for
a single reactor is about 100 tons. So each full core load has about
2 tons of plutonium.

Sellafield has reprocessed many, many full core equivalents of spent
nuclear fuel over the few decades that it has been in operation.
I would tend to think 30 Kg/yr is well within the margin of error.

In fact, I would have expected an even larger number than 30 Kg. If it's
that low - they must be doing a very good job.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
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brewnog said:
Depending on which newspaper you read, between 30 and 80kg was unaccounted for. Officially, it hasn't been lost or stolen, but apparently fuel can occasionally get misplaced during handling routines (!), and the 'paper loss' claim was also used. Apparently at various stages in the process, the amount of plutonium has to be calculated rather than measured, and this has also been reported as a cause of the error.

This 'misplaced' plutonium has been reported more than once (in 2001 5.6kg was unaccounted for, in 1999 24.9kg), and these amounts are totals for the entire year and not just overnight. Newspapers and action groups argue "how can BNFL say that it hasn't been stolen?", a question which is easily answered merely by looking at the amount of security around Sellafield.

Morbius?

brewnog,

You've summarized it pretty well.

One has to remember that when you "assay" the material - to find out
how much you have - you weigh it. Put a sample of plutonium on your
scale and the scale tells you it weighs 2.5 Kilograms. However, that
sample may really weigh 2.5000001 Kilograms. The scale isn't showing
you that 0.1 milligram overage - it's not 100% accurate. So you just
"lost" 0.1 milligram of plutonium.

It's not really lost - your scale just didn't report it properly. There are
only so many digits on the display. Or when you wrote it in the books,
you rounded the number off to 2.500 Kg.

That's how you can "lose" 0.1 milligrams. Now do that over and over
again, day in and day out for a year - multiplied by many people doing
the measuring - and you can well lose 30 Kg "on paper".

However, the plant has a lots of security because it handles plutonium.
All the operations with plutonium are done in "hot cells", or "caves" or
"glove boxes". Even though your balance makes a small error - that
plutonium hasn't gotten out of the "hot cell" or "glove box". It's still
there - you just lost track of it on paper.

So it's doubtful that anyone has smuggled that material out of the
plant - the 30 Kg is just the accumulation of all the uncertainties.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
Judging by the strict controls they have there (and after Sept 11th I noticed they got a *lot* stricter) there's no way that someone could have stolen anything at all from Sellafield, without them noticing.
 
Morbius said:
However, the plant has a lots of security because it handles plutonium. All the operations with plutonium are done in "hot cells", or "caves" or "glove boxes".
Here is a nice pic of a radioisotope glove box, by the way:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/know_nukes/vwp?.dir=/Peter+Essick+USA+National+Geographic+Ma&.dnm=glovebox.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t&.hires=t
 
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