Is x=0 Included in the Increasing or Decreasing Range of y=x^2?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of the function y=x^2 and y=x^3 in terms of their increasing and decreasing ranges, particularly focusing on the role of x=0 in these classifications. Participants explore the implications of definitions related to strictly increasing functions and the behavior of these functions at specific points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that y=x^2 decreases for -∞ < x < 0 and increases for 0 < x < ∞, questioning the inclusion of x=0 in these ranges.
  • Others argue that the classification of x=0 depends on whether it is considered "both positive and negative" or "neither," suggesting the latter is more useful.
  • One participant suggests that y=x^3 is not strictly increasing over all x due to the slope being zero at x=0, which they believe contradicts the definition of strictly increasing functions.
  • Another participant clarifies that a function is strictly increasing if for any a < b, f(a) < f(b), implying that the behavior at x=0 does not negate the function's overall classification.
  • Confusion arises regarding the definitions of strictly increasing and the implications of having a derivative equal to zero at a point, with some participants expressing uncertainty about how these definitions interact.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of functions at x=0, with no consensus reached on whether x=0 should be included in the increasing or decreasing ranges of y=x^2 and y=x^3.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference definitions of strictly increasing functions and the implications of a zero derivative, highlighting potential limitations in understanding these concepts and their applications.

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Let's take [itex]y=x^2[/itex] as an example. This function decreases if [itex]-\infty < x < 0[/itex] and increases if [itex]0 > x > \infty[/itex]. But what about [itex]x=0[/itex]? Shouldn't it be included in one of the two ranges of [itex]x[/itex]?

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Why do you think it should ? This boils down to whether you want zero to be "both positive and negative" or "neither positive nor negative". The latter is more useful.
 
So the function [itex]y=x^3[/itex] is not increasing if [itex]-\infty < x < \infty[/itex] (1), but instead is increasing if [itex]-\infty < x < 0[/itex] and if [itex]0 < x < \infty[/itex], because [itex]y'(0)=0[/itex] cuts the range (1) in two pieces?

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But what about [itex]x=0[/itex]? Shouldn't it be included in one of the two ranges of [itex]x[/itex]?
Why? At x = 0 the slope is zero: y is neither increasing nor decreasing.
 
Yes, I know that, but my confusion arises from my textbook saying that [itex]y=x^3[/itex] is a strictly increasing function for all [itex]x \in X[/itex]. How can that be right, if at one x (namely x=0), y'=0 and the function is thus constant?

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strictly increasing

I think it hinges on the definition of "strictly increasing", which is based on an interval: f(x) is strictly increasing if a < b implies f(a) < f(b).

See: http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/IncreasingdecreasingmonotoneFunction.html & http://www.mathreference.com/ca,inc.html
 
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yup, that's how it's defined in the book, but it still confuses me. according to the definition of "strictly increasing", i'd say that x^3 is strictly increasing for all x, but then we have the definition that a function is neither decreasing nor incresing if y'=0 (which is true for x^3). so the second def says that x^3 is not increasing for ALL x.

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nevermind, the 2nd link seems to explain it. thank you!

- Kamataat
 

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