Different antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria

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This discussion focuses on the effects of different antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria, highlighting the chaotic nature of antibiotic-bacteria interactions. Variations in antibiotic concentration and pH significantly influence the efficacy of antibiotics, with specific examples such as quinolones and macrolides demonstrating decreased activity at low pH levels. The conversation also explores the possibility of including mycoplasmas in antibiotic testing and the need for appropriate statistical tests, such as the Mann Whitney U Test, to compare three groups of data.

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  • Understanding of Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria
  • Knowledge of antibiotic mechanisms of action
  • Familiarity with statistical tests, particularly the Mann Whitney U Test
  • Basic principles of pH and its effects on bacterial growth
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  • Research the effects of pH on antibiotic efficacy, particularly for quinolones and macrolides
  • Explore the characteristics of mycoplasmas and their response to antibiotics
  • Learn about statistical tests for comparing multiple groups, such as ANOVA or Kruskal-Wallis test
  • Investigate the chaotic system theory in biological contexts, particularly in antibiotic resistance
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Microbiologists, pharmacologists, researchers in antibiotic resistance, and anyone involved in the study of bacterial infections and treatment strategies.

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Hi. I am doing an investigation on the effects of different antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria.

1) Can you say that antibiotics and bacteria form a chaotic system? Can a very small change in concentration of antiboitics, or a small variation in pH, change the diameter of killing zone greatly?

2) If I want to extend this investigation: not only testing effects of antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria, but also "mycoplasmas" which are neither Gram positive nor negative. Is this possible? (I do not actually have to carry this out but just need to propose what needs to be done). Before I used the Mann Whitney U Test to comparing two sets of data. But if I introduce mycoplasmas, which statistical tests are there to comparing three groups of data?

Thank you very much for your help in advance.

Gary :redface:
 
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garytse86 said:
1) Can you say that antibiotics and bacteria form a chaotic system? Can a very small change in concentration of antiboitics, or a small variation in pH, change the diameter of killing zone greatly?

It will depend on the antibiotics, the pH value of media and how much a small variation in pH is. for example, quinolone have a decrease activity below ph 5.0 and macrolides have a decrease acitivity just below pH 7.0. Also, the penetration by aminoglycosides inside the cell is greatly reduce at low pH.

For reference
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8404912&dopt=Abstract

garytse86 said:
2) If I want to extend this investigation: not only testing effects of antibiotics on Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria, but also "mycoplasmas" which are neither Gram positive nor negative. Is this possible? (I do not actually have to carry this out but just need to propose what needs to be done). Before I used the Mann Whitney U Test to comparing two sets of data. But if I introduce mycoplasmas, which statistical tests are there to comparing three groups of data?

first mycoplasma lack a certain feature that are present on both gram positive and negative. this will have an influence on the result depending on the mode of action of the antibiotics.

For the stat test, look at the following page to guide you
http://www.edu.rcsed.ac.uk/statisti...o help decide the statistical test to use.htm
 
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