How is division defined in mathematics?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of division in mathematics, exploring various interpretations and methods of understanding how division operates, particularly in relation to subtraction and the properties of integers. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants propose that division can be understood as repeated subtraction, exemplified by the calculation of 10/2 as subtracting 2 from 10 until reaching zero.
  • Others challenge the notion that multiplication is strictly defined as repeated addition, suggesting that this perspective may not hold universally.
  • A participant introduces a formal definition of division involving quotients and remainders, indicating that for integers a and b, a/b can be expressed as a = b(q) + r, where q is the quotient and r is the remainder.
  • There is a discussion about the undefined nature of 0/0 and 10/0, with one participant arguing that these cases illustrate the limitations of the subtraction-based definition of division.
  • Another participant raises a question about how to interpret division when the numerator is less than the denominator, such as in the case of 1/3, suggesting that the earlier definitions do not adequately address this scenario.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of division, with no consensus reached. Some support the repeated subtraction model, while others argue for more formal definitions involving quotients and remainders. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to define division.

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Limitations include the potential circularity in definitions provided and the varying interpretations of division depending on the mathematical context (e.g., integers versus rational numbers).

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Multiplication is defined as repeated addition.

3x5 = 5+5+5

How do we define 10/2?
 
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Originally posted by AndersHermansson
Multiplication is defined as repeated addition.

3x5 = 5+5+5

How do we define 10/2?
Repeated subtraction?
10-2-2-2-2-2=0 5 equal parts.

10/3
10-3-3-3=1 3.3333333333333 parts. 3 and 1/3
 
You also posted this under "general mathematics" where Hurkyl pointed out, correctly, that multiplication is NOT defined as "repeated addition".
 
Reminds me of a truly awful joke . . .

Q: How many times can you subtract 5 from 21
and what do you have left?

A: I can subtract 5 from 21 as many times as I like,
and I always have 16 left.
 
If A/B = C, then I would define C as the the number of times that you have to subtract B from a quantity that starts out at A until you get to 0. Hence, 10/5 = 2, because you have to subtract 5 twice from a quantity that starts out at 10 in order to get 0, and 0/0 is undefined, because you always have 0, no matter how many times you subtract, and 10/0 is undefined because there is no answer(There is no amount of times that you can subtract in order to arrive at zero--"no amount of times" is NOT the same as "zero times", because zero is an amount of times; you have an empty set, as opposed to a set with an element 0).
 
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
If A/B = C, then I would define C as the the number of times that you have to subtract B from a quantity that starts out at A until you get to 0. Hence, 10/5 = 2, because you have to subtract 5 twice from a quantity that starts out at 10 in order to get 0, and 0/0 is undefined, because you always have 0, no matter how many times you subtract, and 10/0 is undefined because there is no answer(There is no amount of times that you can subtract in order to arrive at zero--"no amount of times" is NOT the same as "zero times", because zero is an amount of times; you have an empty set, as opposed to a set with an element 0).

What about something like 1/3? How many times do you have to subtract 3 from 1 to get 0? The answer is "1/3 of 3" times, but the answer here using the above formulation doesn't get us any closer to a meaningful answer than the initial question. It's circular.
 
we define division of two integer numbers a and b as follows a/b is
a=b(q)+r
for some integers q and 0<= r< b. Here q and r are uniquely deteremine. 28/5 is the same thing as 28=5(5)+3 If you want to get fancy schmancy. Take the integers Z and since Z is an integral domain define the field of rationals Q as all the numbers(quotients) that satisfy the following equation for x

xm=n

all solution are n/m where m and n are integers, here you have the field of quotients or Q
 

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