Comparing Relativistic and Classical Doppler Shifts

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The discussion focuses on the comparison between the relativistic and classical Doppler shifts, specifically addressing the significance of the second order term, (v/c)^2, in the relativistic Doppler shift equation. The relativistic Doppler shift is defined as Δf = |f₀(1 - √((1 - β)/(1 + β)))|, while the classical Doppler shift is Δf = |f₀(v_rel/v)|. The (v/c)^2 term in the relativistic equation accounts for time dilation and length contraction effects, becoming significant as the relative velocity approaches the speed of light. In contrast, the classical Doppler shift does not include this term and is applicable only at lower velocities.

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uestion is How does the second order term in the relativistic doppler shift (v/c)^2 compare to the total classical Doppler Shift for the observer receeding away from the source?


now the doppler shift (relativistic) is [tex]\Delta f = |f_{0} (1-\sqrt{\frac{1-\beta}{1+\beta}})|[/tex]

for the classical shift it is

[tex]\Delta f = |f_{0} (1-\frac{v_{rel}}{v}-1)| = | f_{0} \frac{v_{rel}}{v}|[/tex]

but i don't see a (v/c)^2 term anywhere? How am i supposed to do this??
refers to part E opf this thread
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=64390
 
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Do a binomial expansion of:
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{1-\beta}{1+\beta}} = \frac{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}}{1+\beta}[/tex]
 


The second order term in the relativistic Doppler shift, (v/c)^2, is a correction factor that accounts for the effects of time dilation and length contraction in special relativity. It becomes significant when the relative velocity between the source and observer is close to the speed of light (c).

In contrast, the classical Doppler shift does not take into account the effects of special relativity and is based on the assumption that the relative velocity (v) between the source and observer is much smaller than the speed of light. This is why the classical Doppler shift equation does not have a (v/c)^2 term.

To compare the second order term in the relativistic Doppler shift to the total classical Doppler shift, we can take the limit as the relative velocity (v) approaches the speed of light (c). In this case, the (v/c)^2 term becomes significant and the relativistic Doppler shift equation reduces to:

Δf = |f₀(1-1)| = 0

This means that for an observer moving at the speed of light relative to the source, there is no Doppler shift at all, in contrast to the classical Doppler shift which would still give a non-zero value.

In summary, the second order term in the relativistic Doppler shift becomes significant at high velocities close to the speed of light, while the classical Doppler shift remains valid at lower velocities. Therefore, the two equations are not directly comparable and must be used in different scenarios depending on the relative velocity between the source and observer.
 

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