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I have recently witnessed a jet disappear INTO what I would call a worm-hole. Any de-bunkers care to take this on?
Can you theorize on what I winessed?
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Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around a participant's claim of witnessing a jet disappearing into what they describe as a wormhole. The conversation explores potential explanations for this phenomenon, including sound barrier effects and vapor trails, while also addressing skepticism and the need for more detailed descriptions of the event.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
Main Points Raised
- One participant claims to have seen a jet disappear into a wormhole, inviting others to debunk this observation.
- Another participant suggests seeking therapy in response to the initial claim, indicating skepticism.
- A different participant argues that the phenomenon described is likely related to a jet breaking the sound barrier, producing a conical vapor effect that creates the illusion of the jet disappearing.
- Further clarification is provided about the vapor cone, explaining that it is caused by sound waves vaporizing air in front of the plane, which can create a visual effect that may be misinterpreted as the jet disappearing.
- One participant questions the phrasing of "appear to disappear," emphasizing that matter cannot simply vanish, and suggests a rephrasing for clarity.
- A participant shares a picture of a jet's sonic boom vapor trail, discussing how the design of the aircraft can influence the visibility of the vapor trail and its relation to the jet's wake.
- Another participant encourages others to read the text accompanying the picture for a better understanding of the phenomenon depicted.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the initial claim, with some proposing technical explanations related to sound barriers and vapor trails, while others remain skeptical or dismissive. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the nature of the observed phenomenon.
Contextual Notes
The discussion lacks a full description of the events witnessed, which may limit the ability to theorize effectively. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of visual phenomena and the terminology used.
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Seek therapy.
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cannot theorize wihout a full description of the events you witnessed.
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the answer
Yes, I've seen the effect you incorrectly alluded to as a 'wormhole'. It occurs when a plane breaks the sound barrier. What happens is that a conical vapor of water and atmospheric gas, is emitted from the jets nose tip and extends outwards around the plane (in a symetical cone shape) and thus the plane 'appears' to be flying into it. Its caused by sound waves which become loud enough (great enough amplitude) to vaporize the air in front of the plane. Its a very simple effect. I have seen several videos of it before.
Yes, I've seen the effect you incorrectly alluded to as a 'wormhole'. It occurs when a plane breaks the sound barrier. What happens is that a conical vapor of water and atmospheric gas, is emitted from the jets nose tip and extends outwards around the plane (in a symetical cone shape) and thus the plane 'appears' to be flying into it. Its caused by sound waves which become loud enough (great enough amplitude) to vaporize the air in front of the plane. Its a very simple effect. I have seen several videos of it before.
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Hellvis
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Nice answer, far more effective than dreck like "seek therapy."
Does this cone of vapor make the plane appear to disappear?
Does this cone of vapor make the plane appear to disappear?
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not to nitpick.. but i would rephrase "appear to disappear"... because matter can't just disappear. So if it appears to disappear, it disappeared.
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Picture of jet sonic boom vapour trail
Enjoy this nice photo. It was taken just after the initial boom was emitted from the nose and wings. Depending on the design of the aircraft, the vapour trail can either be more predominant at the plane's nose (as your 'warp' observation stated) or the vapour trail can be more predominant at the wings. This is largely a result of an interesting effect where the plane's nose's wake can take a path over the wings, whereupon they are further subjected to the sonic boom of the wings. Whereas some planes, newer ones especially, have noses that deflect the wake around the wings as much as possible. Therefore, it is my guess that you witnessed a fairly recent model airplane with the aforementioned wake-dispersal technology. Another word for wakes, is 'vertices'. Google search that if you'd like to know more about it.
Enjoy.
Picture is attached.
Enjoy this nice photo. It was taken just after the initial boom was emitted from the nose and wings. Depending on the design of the aircraft, the vapour trail can either be more predominant at the plane's nose (as your 'warp' observation stated) or the vapour trail can be more predominant at the wings. This is largely a result of an interesting effect where the plane's nose's wake can take a path over the wings, whereupon they are further subjected to the sonic boom of the wings. Whereas some planes, newer ones especially, have noses that deflect the wake around the wings as much as possible. Therefore, it is my guess that you witnessed a fairly recent model airplane with the aforementioned wake-dispersal technology. Another word for wakes, is 'vertices'. Google search that if you'd like to know more about it.
Enjoy.
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Read the text under the picture too
The text gives the specifics for the picture taken, read it for a good understanding.
The text gives the specifics for the picture taken, read it for a good understanding.
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