A New Global Theory of the Earth's Dynamics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proposed model for Earth's dynamics that suggests a single cause for various geophysical and geological phenomena, specifically focusing on the interaction between the Earth's mantle and solid inner core. Participants explore the implications of geothermal heat, the effects of water state changes on Earth's shape, and the potential influence of geothermal activity on atmospheric conditions and ice shelves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a model suggesting that friction between the mantle and inner core generates heat, influencing the liquid outer core and global heat flow.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that changes in the state of Earth's water could affect its rotation and shape, contributing to friction.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the proposed model, labeling it as "crackpot" and citing perceived errors in the author's arguments against tectonic theory.
  • There is curiosity about the relationship between geothermal heat and atmospheric conditions, particularly regarding its effects on temperature stability in caves and potential impacts on ice shelves in Antarctica.
  • One participant questions the significance of geothermal heat from volcanoes on the Antarctic ice cap, suggesting that the evidence is speculative.
  • Another participant elaborates on the mechanisms by which underwater volcanic activity could influence ice shelf stability, discussing the melting processes involved.
  • A participant acknowledges an error in their previous post regarding temperature descriptions related to ice shelves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the validity of the proposed model and its implications. While some find the ideas intriguing, others dismiss them as flawed or speculative. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the proposed model and the speculative nature of some claims, particularly regarding the impact of geothermal heat on atmospheric conditions and ice shelf dynamics.

Andre
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Crackpot or exiciting paradigm shift coming up?

http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0502/0502135.pdf

this paper proposes a model where a single cause can explain all geophysical and geological phenomena. The source of the Earth's activity lies in the difference of the angular velocities of the mantle and of the solid inner core. The friction between both spheres infers heat, which is the cause of the melted iron which constitutes most of the liquid outer core, as well as the source of the global heat flow. The solid inner core angular velocity is supposed to remain steady, while the mantle angular velocity depends on gyroscopic forces (involving acceleration) and slowing down due to external attractions and, principally the motions of mantle plates 2900 km thick...cont

This guy has probably read my https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=2974 but there is much more.

Discussion?
 
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The more of the Earths water, that enters the liquid state, the harder it is to turn this baby, and the Earth changes shape, making it larger at the equator, that is also a factor in this friction.
 
Andre said:
Crackpot (snip)
Discussion?

His list of problems with tectonic theory pretty well sums him up --- Graham Hanquackian creator of "great mysteries."

Don't waste your time.
 
I agree, plenty of errors, but nevertheless, a resourceful young man.
 
So perhaps the man's ideas are flawed, but he does make me wonder- precisely what effect does geothermal heat have on atmospheric heat? I have visited caves only tens of metres below ground and they are kept at a constant 7 degrees celsius all year round. Have any studies been done into the effects of geothermal heat on the atmosphere?
 
matthyaouw said:
So perhaps the man's ideas are flawed, but he does make me wonder- precisely what effect does geothermal heat have on atmospheric heat? I have visited caves only tens of metres below ground and they are kept at a constant 7 degrees celsius all year round. Have any studies been done into the effects of geothermal heat on the atmosphere?

Geothermal heat is probably more important for heating water, particularly in the vicinity of Antarctica where it could contribute to melting of ice shelves. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/040527235943.htm
 
Your reference says nothing about the potential impact of geothermal heat on the ice sheet. It would be highly speculative to suggest that a hand full of volcanoes could have anything more than a tiny effect on the Antarctic ice cap from the information given in the article.
 
matthyaouw said:
Your reference says nothing about the potential impact of geothermal heat on the ice sheet. It would be highly speculative to suggest that a hand full of volcanoes could have anything more than a tiny effect on the Antarctic ice cap from the information given in the article.
I probably should have reread the article when I posted the link to remind me of what it said.

The ice shelves extend from the continent over the water. Normally they would be resting on water with a temperature just below freezing unless a current brought warmer water in. Any type of underwater volcanic activity could warm the water. If that warmed water reached the underside of the ice shelf, it would melt the ice touching the water creating a gap. The air space could allow some evaporation which could then melt additional ice. The ice shelf would then only be attached to the ice on land. Eventually the weight would cause the shelf to break off.
 
Anyone notice the error in the above post. I meant to type "above" for the temperature below the ice, but somehow I ended up typing "below" instead. Obviously the liquid water below the ice would be above freezing, at least for salt water.

I waited too long to edit the post.
 
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This discussion http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19590&posts=13 could have had the same thread title.
 
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Andre said:
This discussion http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19590&posts=13 could have had the same thread title.

Interesting charts.
 
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Yes I guess so. I regret that I can't run the narrative here :frown: Two reasons, without img feature it's undoable and with the local crackpot intolerance, I'd risk a move to "theory devellopment" a misnomer for "crackpots corner".
 

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