What is the relationship between the magenta and cyan areas?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between two areas, referred to as the magenta and cyan areas, within a geometric configuration involving a circle and inner polygons. Participants explore mathematical properties, potential relationships, and implications related to these areas, including connections to the continuum hypothesis (CH) and the existence of mathematical constants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that the magenta area is equal to one-third of the cyan area and requests a demonstration of this relationship.
  • Another participant identifies the curve in question as an Archimedean spiral and asserts that its area is (2/3)πR², which aligns with the claim of the magenta area being one-third of the circle's area.
  • The first participant proposes a mapping between natural numbers and polygon areas, questioning whether areas S1 and S2, defined by different vertex counts, are equal.
  • There is a query regarding the implications of the difference between the two magenta areas in relation to the continuum hypothesis.
  • The first participant speculates on the existence of a useful mathematical constant arising from this discussion.

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Participants have not reached consensus on the relationships between the areas or the implications of their differences. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the geometric configuration and the properties of the areas involved, which have not been fully explored or validated. The relationship to the continuum hypothesis is also presented as a speculative connection.

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Please look at the attached pdf.

You will find in it a circle and some sub-area inside it.

The sub-area exists between the radius and a curve.

The curve is connected to both sides of some radius, and goes through the intersection points that exists between n radii and n-1 inner circles, where each radius is divided by the inner circles to n equal parts.

I have found that the sub-area(magenta) = circle's-area/3(cyan)

1) Can someone show why the magenta area = 1/3 of the cyan area ?

2) We can take any number of inner radii-circles intersection points, and create some border, which is made of straight lines between these points.

By doing this, we get a closed polygon (an area).

Now we take some closed polygon, find the total number of its vertexes and omit 2 (tolal - 2 = n).

By doing this, we get some Natural number n which is conncted to some polygon's area S (please see the attached pdf in the next post, called natural-areas.pdf.pdf).

Through this way we can put in 1-1 correspondence some n with some S.

When have this map, we can ask:

S1 is the area of some polygon, where the number of totel-2=aleph0.

S2 is the area of some polygon, where the number of totel-2=2^aleph0.


3) Is S1 = S2 ?

4) If the answer to (3) is no, then what is the difference between the two magenta areas, and how this difference related to the CH problem ?

5) Do you think that we have here some useful mathematical constant ?


Thank you.


Organic
 

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Here you can find a pdf file, which shows the connection between some natural number to some area.
 

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The spiral you have is the "Archimedian" spiral:
r= (R/2 &pi)&theta (R is the radius of the large circle).

It is fairly easy to show that the area is, in fact, (2/3)&pi R2, 1/3 the area of the circle.
 
Hi HallsofIvy,

Thank you for your reply.

Can you please answer to 3-5 questions ?

Thank you.


Organic
 
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