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| Aug26-05, 08:07 AM | #205 |
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Time does NOT Exist - Math Proof |
| Aug26-05, 08:10 AM | #206 |
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| Aug26-05, 08:21 AM | #207 |
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| Aug26-05, 08:26 AM | #208 |
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| Aug26-05, 08:48 AM | #209 |
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clock readings are a measure of time, they are not in themselves time. you are constantly contradicting yourself and it's starting to become slightly amusing. on one hand you say time doesnt exist, and on the other you say events happen. if events happen time quite simply HAS to exist. sure everything we see around us is technicly not what is really happening, only what our eyes are able to see, but there are forces at work which are not visable and yet we still accept that they are real. the only problem with your "mathimatical proof" is that it isnt really proof. all you're doing is taking out a variable. it still takes time for an object to get from point A to point B, even if you're not measuring it. you equate time to unicorns, apples and oranges anybody? time is a force, you cant observe gravity either but it's always a factor. I will grant you that clocks are not time, only an easy to understand measuring stick for the passage of said time. movement isnt time, but the fact that things can move means time must exist. |
| Aug26-05, 09:11 AM | #210 |
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| Aug26-05, 09:32 AM | #211 |
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if time does not exist then how would anything ever happen? you seem to be missing the fundimental flaw in your idea, if time doesnt exist, then either nothing would happen at all, or all things would happen in less than an instant. we observe the passage of time as things around us move. your little math solution only works if you dont need to know how fast your marble is moving. you're confusing the issue Im afraid. saying that things happen as a series of events in itself implies that time exists. if there is no time there can be no movement. |
| Sep2-05, 02:05 AM | #212 |
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On one hand time truely has no meaning or point to exist, but yes, it is questionable. We are forgetting one moment. All definitions currently used in physics are separated into definitions themselves to HELP our mind to cope with understanding of physical reality of any sort. Example: If we look at anything out there, it can be interpreted in either terms of mass, velocity, temperature etc., or otherwise in terms used to define the activity of moving particles within object. Mass can be "adjusted" as a property to a particular object or particle. Relative velocity can be a property of any object. Quantity of particles can be a property of an object. Activity and degree of freedom of particles can be a property of an object (otherwise known as temperature). Time is one of primary terms used in physics to set a virtual axis, from where other calculations or assessments can be made. Classical physics only presumes that time exists. It means that it is set as a term or definition in the first place, i.e. there is no possible proof that it can exist by itself, without judging the change. There is no set quantity of time, no seen start of time, no seen end of time. It is only "measured" in terms of periodical change occuring in the "time measuring machine" (i.e. sand clock or atomic clock). Once again as any primary definition (such as temperature) it is set to assist our brain to process information about reality, otherwise we would not be able to judge events. Our consciousness it trapped within its own setup and the setup of our brain, in other words our brains are made in such way that we only see one "moment of time", now, and can clearly define it as reality. We can remember the past, not witness it and we can foresee the future, not witness it. There are speculations that reality we experience can be virtually "casted from somewhere else", i.e. stipulated by something that we do not see or witness clearly now, because some of us claim they may foresee. It may also imply that the past exists because it is "casted to somewhere else", because we may remember or see something from the very deep past i.e. claim to have "past life experiences". Again this is only one of the ways to think about it. However it does not mean that time, as such, is an issue. It is only a primary definition used in classical physics, and there are other alternative ways to enterpret reality and the thread of events. Classical physics is a pure realistic approach in understanding something that in fact has a dual nature, both organised and chaotic, and is not entirely understood yet. It is based on definitions, such as time, mass, relative velocity, formulas and equations. It is set this way because it suits human brain best. Using this rationalistic approach, the more we discover, the more definitions we need to introduce, because quite often we come accross something that does not fit into the given set of definitions. Yes, there are many areas where we "stumble" in understanding, but on contrary this approach has worked best for us so far. Classical physics hopes that one day we would not need to seach for any more definitions, i.e. we will clearly understand reality. It would mean that human knowledge would have achieved utmost understanding. |
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