SciAm Lineweaver cosmology article, March issue

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The discussion revolves around a feature article by Charles Lineweaver and Tamara Davis in Scientific American, which addresses various aspects of cosmology, particularly related to the Big Bang and cosmic expansion. Participants reference the article's content, including misconceptions and qualitative propositions about the universe, while expressing differing views on the validity of these mainstream answers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the article's visual sidebars that address common misconceptions about the Big Bang and cosmic phenomena.
  • One participant questions the correctness of the mainstream answers presented in the article, suggesting skepticism about their validity.
  • Another participant identifies six qualitative propositions from the article, arguing that any new model replacing the current consensus should retain these features.
  • Specific propositions include: the Big Bang as an expansion of space, the possibility of galaxies receding faster than light, the nature of cosmic redshift, and the size of the observable universe.
  • One participant expresses comfort with the Big Bang model, indicating a preference for the established understanding over alternative models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the validity of the mainstream answers presented in the article, with some expressing skepticism while others defend the current model. No consensus is reached on the correctness of the claims made in the article.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the propositions discussed are largely qualitative and may depend on interpretations of cosmological concepts. There is an acknowledgment that new models would need to address these qualitative features, but no specific alternative models are proposed or detailed.

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http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147

we've referenced the clear and useful journal articles of Charles Lineweaver and Tamara Davis a lot at PF over the past couple of years

Glad to see that they now have a feature article in SciAm, and that it is available free online!
 
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that's where I got the information for the test I wrote in here a couple of days ago.
 
Good going tribdog!

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147

we've referenced the clear and useful journal articles of Charles Lineweaver and Tamara Davis a lot at PF over the past couple of years

Glad to see that they now have a feature article in SciAm, and that it is available free online!

The gist of the article is contained in a few visual "sidebars" which ask a question, give a "popular misconception" wrong answer, and then give the right answer:

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p39.gif
What kind of explosion was the big bang?

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p40.gif
Can galaxies recede faster than light?

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p42.gif
Can we see galaxies receding faster than light?

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p43.gif
Why is there a cosmic redshift?

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p44.gif
How large is the observable universe?

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p45.gif
Do objects inside the universe expand, too?
 
Surely you don't expect all those 'mainstream' answers to be correct.
 
there are 6 mainstream answers here. Only #5 is quantitative: "how large".
Even #5 is essentially qualitative, saying that the radius of the observable is substantially larger than the estimated age expressed in lightyears (14 billion LY)

I consider these 6 qualitative propositions to be reasonable and not especially model-specific. I suspect that any new model which could succeed in replacing the current consensus model is likely to have at least these six qualitative features..

And so I hope anyone here who disagrees will say explicitly which of these features he expects not to hold in whatever replacement consensus model when such a model has been tested and has prevailed

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p39.gif
What kind of explosion was the big bang? (an expansion of space, not an explosion localized in space)

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p40.gif
Can galaxies recede faster than light? (yes)

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p42.gif
Can we see galaxies receding faster than light? (yes)

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p43.gif
Why is there a cosmic redshift? (stretching of light in transit)

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p44.gif
How large is the observable universe? (substantially larger than 14 billion LY, i.e. than the estimated age expressed in lightyears)

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147_p45.gif
Do objects inside the universe expand, too? (in a qualitative sense, coherent objects like galaxies or the things in them are not at present expanding)
 
One of my usual wisecrack answers. I would argue Q5 is not really relevant. I'm thoroughly comfortable with the BB model, as you probably suspect.
 

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