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Why does a magnetic field repel moving charges?

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quantumfoam
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Jan31-13, 01:43 PM
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Why does a magnetic field produce a force on a moving charge? I would love if someone answered why and not how.
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Jan31-13, 04:23 PM
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Why does a magnetic field produce a force on a moving charge? I would love if someone answered why and not how.
Are you familiar with the equation for the Lorentz force?
quantumfoam
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Jan31-13, 04:28 PM
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Yes I am.

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Why does a magnetic field repel moving charges?

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Are you familiar with the equation for the Lorentz force?
Surely that is not an explanation of "why", but rather an explanation of "what" or maybe "how".

Asking "why" is not always useful in science, particularly not for the fundamental phenomenon which physics specializes in. When you ask why what you normally get is an explanation of the phenomenon "one level" deeper. This fails where you are at the bottom level. Ask why the sun rises and sets, get a slightly deeper explanation involving the orbit of the earth. Ask why the orbit of the earth, get a deeper explanation of mass and gravity. Ask why does mass get attracted by gravity, there is no answer. And of course there can be no answer, it is a "fundamental" phenomenon.

The lorentz force is the same way, its a fundamental phenomenon. There is no lower level science to appeal to for an explanation of why. We observe the interactions and describe/predict them with our theory. What other possible thing could be done? Nothing.

Now if there ever comes a time when we do have an answer for "why the lorentz force" or "why the gravitational force" then these cease to be fundamental low level phenomenon. There would then be a new more fundamental set of behaviors that would be completely resistant to any question of "why".
quantumfoam
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Jan31-13, 05:01 PM
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Thank you so much! You can make good explanations(: So as far as we know, know one knows why a moving charge is repelled by a magnetic field?
256bits
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Jan31-13, 05:32 PM
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"... why a moving charge is repelled by a magnetic field?"
Repelled is not a very good word to use.
Repel means to resist, to ward off, to thrust backwards.

If the charge is travelling parallel to the magnetic lines of force there is no effect upon the velocity of the charge. If the charge is travelling perpendicular to the magnetic field then the charge will have a maximum change in velocity of direction but not magnitude.

Are you familiar with the Lorenz force?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force
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Are you familiar with the Lorenz force?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force
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quantumfoam
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Jan31-13, 05:36 PM
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Yes.
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Jan31-13, 05:48 PM
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Lol I understand the Lorentz force. I just want to know if in the world of physics, is there a reason why a moving charge interacts with a magnetic field the way it does.(:
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Lol I understand the Lorentz force. I just want to know if in the world of physics, is there a reason why a moving charge interacts with a magnetic field the way it does.(:
Physics doesn't really answer "why" questions. Physics does not say why electric and magnetic fields interact, but rather how they interact.
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Jan31-13, 06:13 PM
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I know but I was wondering if there was any deep explanation for why it happens. But the answers I have obtained here are more than I wanted(: Thank you guys!
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There's an echo in here....
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I know but I was wondering if there was any deep explanation for why it happens. But the answers I have obtained here are more than I wanted(: Thank you guys!
Watch what Mr Grumpy himself had to say about all this. (No, I love him, really!)
quantumfoam
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He is awesome! Thank you sophiecentaur!
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Watch what Mr Grumpy himself had to say about all this. (No, I love him, really!)
I almost posted this! haha
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He is pretty awesome!(:
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He had a colourful life, too. Not just Physics, you know.
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I heard he was a great artist. I wish I could have seen some of it. I would imagine his artistic work to be as great as his radical ideas and his amazing ability to provide insight to our world over problems.


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