Practical application for germanium sample

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The discussion revolves around the practical applications of a doped germanium sample in the context of a Hall effect experiment. Participants explore potential real-life uses of the Hall voltage measurements and the implications of the Hall coefficient in various applications.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • James inquires about practical applications of the Hall voltage from a doped germanium sample, expressing uncertainty about its real-life uses.
  • Zz suggests that the Hall effect properties of germanium could be used to measure magnetic field strength, indicating that there are numerous semiconductor applications.
  • James questions how the Hall voltage can be used to measure magnetic field strength, noting that the Hall coefficient must be known beforehand.
  • Zz responds that calibration is essential for any device, including Hall probes, and emphasizes the importance of knowing the Hall coefficient for accurate measurements.
  • James seeks clarification on whether Hall coefficients are tabulated for various materials.
  • Zz confirms that Hall coefficients are known but reiterates the necessity of calibration for accurate measurements, mentioning that each sample's properties can vary due to different doping levels.
  • A later reply discusses the educational value of the experiment, suggesting that it teaches experimental skills and fundamental concepts about charge carriers, while also noting that fundamental research may not always have immediate practical applications.
  • Additionally, a historical reference is made to von Klitzing's Nobel Prize-winning work related to the Hall effect, drawing a parallel to the current experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practical applications of the Hall effect in germanium, with some focusing on its potential uses while others emphasize the educational aspects of the experiment. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific applications and the necessity of knowing the Hall coefficient.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the Hall coefficient and its dependence on material properties, as well as the calibration process for accurate measurements. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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I just did a semiconductors experiment involving the Hall effect and a doped germanium sample. The type of doping was determined from the Hall voltage using the sign of the recorded voltage and the sign of the bias current applied across the sample. Now, my question is what could be a practical application of this germanium Hall voltage sample?

I mean where could it be used? How? This is something we are not expected to do in the labs but I am not sure how this could be used in a real life type application.

James
 
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JamesJames said:
I just did a semiconductors experiment involving the Hall effect and a doped germanium sample. The type of doping was determined from the Hall voltage using the sign of the recorded voltage and the sign of the bias current applied across the sample. Now, my question is what could be a practical application of this germanium Hall voltage sample?

I mean where could it be used? How? This is something we are not expected to do in the labs but I am not sure how this could be used in a real life type application.

James

I don't quite understand. Are you asking for practical use of germanium? Doped germanium? Or the hall effect properties of germianium in particular? For the last part, the obvious use would be to measure magnetic field strength, as in the Hall probe. For the first two, there are tons of them since it would apply to any semiconductor applications.

Zz.
 
How could it be used to measure the magnetic field strength? :confused: I measured the hall voltage and current then got the slope and THEN used this equation to get the Hall coefficient. RH = tR/B where RH is the Hall coefficient, t is the thickness and R is the resistance from the slope of the V-I graph. The B field strength was known in my case.

The only way I can see measurement of B is if the Hall coefficient is known apriori.

James
 
JamesJames said:
The only way I can see measurement of B is if the Hall coefficient is known apriori.

James

And that's not what you want?

ANY device has to be calibrated. Knowing what the Hall coeff is for your probe is a crucial part of the calibration. So why not?

Zz.
 
No no, I mean, are they tabulated for various materials? :confused:

James
 
According to that equation above, the B field strength can be obtained only if the HAll coefficient is known...that is why I am asking this question.

James
 
Yes, they are known. But in all cases, all devices must be calibrated. In any Hall device, both the conductivity mobility and Hall mobility must be measured. From there you can back out the Hall coefficient for that sample. Each sample is different because of doping levels etc...Hall probes are a very common device http://www.lakeshore.com/mag/hlp/hpmm.html

The theory for the hall effect is very straight forward, and using the relaxation-time approximation for the Boltzmann eaquation can yield fairly accurate results to the first order .
 
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JJ,

You might want to think about the point of doing your experiment. What have you gained from it ? The experiment - from your description of it - is not of any intrinsic value to the field, as it has been performed repeatedly in the past (though perhaps not in the specific composition you are working with; but that's likely not very important), so the primary purpose is to teach you certain experimental skills.

For instance it might attempt :

(i) to show you how a simple Hall measurement yields fundamental information about the nature of the charge carriers;

(ii) to teach you how to perform transport measurements in a Hall bar geometry;

(iii) to help you gain specific and general experimental skills;

(iv) to make you think about how an experiment may be designed to test a theoretical assertion.

Also keep in mind that fundamental research need have no foreseeable real-life application.

Also, on a side note : von Klitzing won a Nobel prize a couple of decades ago, for doing virtually the same (in theory) experiment you did, on a Silicon MOSFET - he had discovered the Integer Quantum Hall Effect.
 
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