## Is it suitable to cite the paper you have just submitted but not accepted yet

<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no, scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\nHi,\n\nHave you ever encounted such questions?\nSometimes, you need to cite your own work, but which maybe not got\npublished/accepted yet.\n\nHow to do with this?\n\nThanks,\n\nNeon\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>Hi,

Have you ever encounted such questions?
Sometimes, you need to cite your own work, but which maybe not got
published/accepted yet.

How to do with this?

Thanks,

Neon

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Qingpei Hu wrote: > Have you ever encounted such questions? > Sometimes, you need to cite your own work, but which maybe not got > published/accepted yet. Unpublished results and even personal communication cites exist. > How to do with this? A careful reviewer probably asks for a copy of the originals to include that, as well, within the evaluation. The theory is that cites are only a fix for what, ultimately, must be completely self-contained. It's either self-contained within the publication or one step removed within it and the first order links, or two steps removed down to the second order, or ... etc. Stuff already published is already included and therefore need not be directly validated. This way, nothing slips in through the back door.

## Is it suitable to cite the paper you have just submitted but not accepted yet

<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no, scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>\nNeon et al., submitted to BLAH (2005)\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>Neon et al., submitted to BLAH (2005)



xanthian@well.com wrote: > > Have you ever encounted such questions? > > Sometimes, you need to cite your own work, but which maybe not got > > published/accepted yet. > > > How to do with this? If I were the referee for your paper, I'd insist that you include the work in the current paper. How can I evaluate your work if I can't see it? That's not how science ought to work. Another poster wrote: > The responsible author will assure that a freely > accessible copy of all publications remains > available despite journal attempts to sequester data > behind journal-funding barriers, either from sites > like arxiv.org, or from a personal "publications" > page that lets the interested learner download them. I agree that this is a nice idea. In twenty years, though, a paper journal article will still be legible and available (to some people, at least), whereas your personal web page probably won't be. Sad, but true; and even more true if we go fifty years into the future. > IMO, as a poor person still trying to do good > science but often locked out by online "for > subscribers only" signs, just another, newer form of > that old and ugly standby, segregation. You were building up a nice case for some sympathy there, but your last phrase blew it. You might reconsider your words the next time you fish for pity. Michael RIchmond



On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:18:03 $+0000,$ Qingpei Hu wrote: > Have you ever encounted such questions? > Sometimes, you need to cite your own work, but which maybe not got > published/accepted yet. > > How to do with this? As cmamo described note that it's been submitted in the citations, but something that I've heard is that the better journals do check up on this at the time it goes to the type setters to see if the cite has been updated to "accepted" or even "in publication". -jason



> Neon et al., submitted to BLAH (2005) No, never cite anything as "submitted to", always as plain "unpublished" Chris



In article , Chris Bakayaro wrote: >No, never cite anything as "submitted to", always as plain "unpublished" Why? I've certainly seen "submitted to" citations, and I appreciate the extra information. Of course, I appreciate an arXiv citation even more. I may have missed it, but I don't recall anyone giving the original poster the most obvious advice. Look at articles in the journal you're planning to submit to, and see what other people do. Journals all have guides for authors as well. Check those. $$-Ted$$ -- [E-mail me at name@domain.edu, as opposed to name@machine.domain.edu.]



In article , qingpei.hu@gmail.com (Qingpei Hu) writes: > Sometimes, you need to cite your own work, but which maybe not got > published/accepted yet. In general this is possible, but the exact procedure depends on the relationship between the two papers and the policy of the journal to which you are submitting the second paper. Explain the situation in the cover letter for the second paper. The editor might ask for a copy of the first paper if it is needed for refereeing the second one. In ApJ and AJ, the reference list can contain citations such as Hu, Q. 2005, ApJ, submitted. The citation can be updated at the copy- editing stage. However, in some instances the editor may delay accepting the second paper until the first one is accepted. Good advice always, not just in this case, is to tell the editor at once of any unusual circumstances. -- Steve Willner Phone $617-495-7123$ swillner@cfa.harvard.edu Cambridge, MA 02138 USA (Please email your reply if you want to be sure I see it; include a valid Reply-To address to receive an acknowledgement. Commercial email may be sent to your ISP.)