How can I design a basic guidance system for my model rocket?

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The discussion centers on designing a basic guidance system for a model rocket, exploring the feasibility and complexity of implementing such a system. Participants address theoretical and practical aspects of guidance systems, including components like gyroscopes and radio transmitters, as well as the challenges involved in creating a functional design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a radio transmitter and receiver for basic directional control, along with a gyroscope to determine the rocket's position and adjust steering orders.
  • Another participant highlights the challenges of controlling a model rocket, noting the short thrust phase and the limited effectiveness of control surfaces during ascent.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of building gimbals for thrust angle adjustment and the need for advanced machining skills.
  • It is suggested that multiple gyroscopes and accelerometers would be necessary for accurate positioning, along with complex electronics to process sensor data.
  • Participants discuss the impracticality of creating an inertial guidance system independently, recommending starting with simpler projects using off-the-shelf equipment.
  • One participant shares an anecdote about a college project involving autonomous guidance of an RC plane, emphasizing the complexity and time commitment required.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of building a guidance system for a model rocket. While some provide constructive advice on starting small and using existing technology, others acknowledge the complexity of the task without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects various assumptions about the capabilities of model rockets and the technical requirements for guidance systems, with no resolution on the practicality of the proposed designs.

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I'm building a model rocket from scratch; I'm now in the phase of designing a simple guidance system:

* Radio transmitter (From ground), Receiver on the rocket to get the basic orders Up, Down, Right, Left

* A gyroscope on the rocket to get the real position of the rocket and to update the steering orders depending on the rocket position

Can you provide me with some resources on how to do this?
 
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Well, veganode, you're attacking an absolutely formidable problem, one that took decades of work by thousands of people to accomplish.

1) The thrust phase of a model rocket motor is only a couple of seconds long, and you'll only have active control during that time. You could conceivably add some movable control surfaces to the rocket, so you could control it during its descent, but control surfaces small enough to not interfere with the ascent won't really be able to have much effect.

2) The gimbals needed to adjust the thrust angle on a rocket motor are formidable. You will need quite good machining skills to make such devices.

3) You won't need just one gyroscope; you'll need three, one for each axis. You'll also need three linear accelerometers, plus the electronics to decode the sensor values and solve a complex set of differential equations to give you the position of the vehicle. You're looking at microprocessor-level electronics, probably a StrongARM or 286 or better. It took tens of thousands of man-hours of work to make an inertial guidance system that could fit in a cubic foot; you simply will not be able to accomplish it by yourself. Here's a document on the history of inertial guidance systems: http://www.imar-navigation.de/download/inertial_navigation_introduction.pdf

4) You can purchase a variety of off-the-shelf radio control equipment from a hobby shop. You can buy the transmitter and receiver units, plus servos and other equipment.

My honest advice? Scrap the idea of building an inertial guidance system. Scrap the idea of gimballing a rocket motor. Go to a hobby shop, buy a pre-made model airplane body and radio equipment, and start small. Once you're an expert on radio controlled airplanes, then you can start strapping rate gyros and microcontrollers in them to start learning guidance. It's a very, very long road ahead.

- Warren
 
Holy crud...what kind of rocket are you building that you need a guidance system on? Like Chroot said...good luck. I have seen missile guidance systems and they are very complex.
 
Thanks, I really Appriciate your help
 
chroot said:
My honest advice? Scrap the idea of building an inertial guidance system. Scrap the idea of gimballing a rocket motor. Go to a hobby shop, buy a pre-made model airplane body and radio equipment, and start small. Once you're an expert on radio controlled airplanes, then you can start strapping rate gyros and microcontrollers in them to start learning guidance. It's a very, very long road ahead.
As an example, my senior year in college, one team took on autonomous guidance of an RC plane as their project. I don't know if they got it to work or not, but either way, its a complicated thing that was the subject of a year-long project for about-to-graduate mechanical and electrical engineers.
 

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