How Is Thermodynamic Temperature Calculated for a Gas at the Triple Point?

In summary, the conversation discusses a basic thermodynamics problem involving the calculation of the thermodynamic temperature of a gas in water at triple point. The equation T = LIMPTP→0P/PTP * 273.16 is used and an average value of 1.53555 is calculated for P/PTP. However, an extra step is taken in the solution involving a 2.5 * average change between P and P(tp). The source and necessity of this step is questioned, but the respondent suggests using a more straightforward method by evaluating P/Ptp to 5 decimal places for each pair of readings. This allows for a naive extrapolation of P/Ptp to zero pressure.
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Hello, new to these forums

I'm trying to complete a basic thermodynamics problem, calculating the thermodynamic temperature of a gas immersed in water at triple point.

The problem begins with a table of pressures at varying temperatures of a gas under pressure P, and pressure P(tp) - triple point pressure.

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Now, I know the following equation;

T=LIMPTP→0P/PTP * 273.16

So I have calculated the average value of P/PTP as 1.53555

But I also have access to a solution to this problem, and in the solution an extra step is also taken:

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I don't understand the source of the 2.5 * avg change between P and P(tp). Where has this come from? Why is it necessary?

Thanks
 
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I don't understand either, but rather than trying to do so, I've used a more straightforward method. I evaluated P/Ptp to 5 decimal places for each of the five pairs of readings. It was then clear that the ratio increased by almost the same increment for each 250 mmHg decrement in Ptp. Hence naïve extrapolation of P/Ptp to zero pressure is very straightforward.
 

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Thermodynamic temperature is a measurement of the average kinetic energy of the particles in a system, which is directly related to the temperature of the system. It is also known as absolute temperature and is measured in Kelvin (K) or Rankine (R).

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Thermodynamic temperature is different from other temperature measurements, such as Celsius or Fahrenheit, because it is based on an absolute scale and does not use arbitrary reference points. This means that it can be directly related to the energy of a system, making it more useful in scientific calculations and studies.

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