Proving the Relationship Between Integrals and Root Pi Using Multiple Integrals

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship between integrals involving the exponential function and the constant pi using multiple integrals. Participants explore the application of Fubini's theorem and the manipulation of iterated integrals, particularly in the context of integrating over rectangular regions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof structure involving the equality of squared integrals and a double integral over a rectangular region, suggesting the use of Fubini's theorem.
  • Another participant clarifies that the squared integral can be expressed as the product of two separate integrals, each over the same limits.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the application of Fubini's theorem, questioning how it allows for the multiplication of functions in the context of the proof.
  • One participant mentions that their textbook does not explicitly cover Fubini's theorem, leading to confusion about its implications for the proof.
  • A later reply discusses the necessity of integrating over an infinite domain to arrive at the conclusion involving the square root of pi.
  • Another participant suggests that the relationship can be established through a conversion to polar coordinates, although they express uncertainty about the role of Fubini's theorem in this context.
  • One participant emphasizes that the integral being computed is solvable only for an infinite domain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants demonstrate a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the application of Fubini's theorem and the steps necessary to prove the relationship between the integrals. Some participants find clarity in the proof structure, while others remain uncertain about specific aspects of the theorem and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their textbooks regarding the coverage of Fubini's theorem, which may affect their understanding of the proof. There is also mention of the need for infinite domains in certain integrals, which may restrict the applicability of the discussed methods.

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A problem in my textbook guides you through this proof using a multiple integral.

I follow the whole thing except for one step. It requires that you show that (sorry don't know latex, I(a,b) will denote integral from a to b, e the exponential)

[I(-x,x)e^(-u^2)du]^2=I(R)e^(-u^2-v^2)dudv

where R is the rectangle such that u and v lie between plus and minus x and the second integral is a multiple integral over this region.

How can you prove this? I tried working with the Riemann definitions of integrals but couldn't get anywhere. Thank you in advance for any help.

by they way, could anyone post the above equation in Latex so I can see how it would be done? Thanks again.
 
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U can prove this

[tex]\left[\int_{-x}^{x} e^{-u^{2}} \ du \right]^{2}=\int_{-x}^{x}\ du \int_{-x}^{x} dv \ e^{-u^{2}-v^{2}}[/tex]

using FUBINI's theorem.So how about opening your book at this theorem...?

Daniel.
 
Notice that [tex]\left[\int_{-x}^x e^{-u^2}du\right]^2[/tex]
is the same as [tex]\left[\int_{-x}^x e^{-u^2}du\right]\left[\int_{-x}^x e^{-v^2}dv\right][/tex]
 
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Unfortunately my book doesn't have Fubini's theorem, or more likely it just isn't calling it that. HallsofIvy, I know that it can be rewritten in that way, but from there how do you know that you can multiply the two functions? I searched for Fubini's theorem online and the versions I found only said that you can switch the order of the iterated integral. How can this be used to prove the desired result?
 
In an iterated integral, if the integrand can be factored into functions of only one of the variables to be integrated, you can always split it up into several multiplied integrals and visa-versa. Let [itex]F(x), \ G(y)[/itex] be antiderivatives of [itex]f(x)[/itex] and [itex]g(y)[/itex], respectively. Then

[tex]\int_a^b \int_c^d f(x)g(y) \ dx \ dy = \int_a^b \left[ g(y) \int_c^d f(x) dx \right] \ dy = \int_a^b g(y) \left( F(d) - F(c) \right) \ dy = \left(F(d) - F(c)\right) \int_a^b g(y) \ dy[/tex]

[tex]=\left(F(d) - F(c)\right)\left(G(b) - G(a)\right) = \int_c^d f(x) \ dx \int_a^b g(y) \ dy[/tex]
 
eddo said:
Unfortunately my book doesn't have Fubini's theorem, or more likely it just isn't calling it that. HallsofIvy, I know that it can be rewritten in that way, but from there how do you know that you can multiply the two functions? I searched for Fubini's theorem online and the versions I found only said that you can switch the order of the iterated integral. How can this be used to prove the desired result?

Out of curiosity, I googled on "Fubini's Theorem" and the very first hit was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fubini's_theorem"
which includes the fact that the doubled integral is equal to the product of two integrals (PROVIDED F(x,y)= f(x)g(y) and the region of integration is a rectangle).

In fact, I just notice that this theorem is an EXERCISE on page 968 of Salas, Helle, and Etgen's "Calculus", edition 9.

The basic idea is this:
[tex]\int_{x=a}^b\int_{y= c}^d f(x)g(y) dydx = \int_{x=a}^bf(x)\left[\int_{y=c}^d g(y)dy\right]dx[/tex]
because f(x) is a "constant" does not involve y and so can be treated like a constant (that is, taken out the integral) when integrating with respect to y.

But [tex]\int_{y=c}^d g(y)dy[/tex] is a constant, a number. We can take that out of the x-integration:
[tex]\int_{x=a}^b\int_{y= c}^d f(x)g(y) dydx= \left[\int_{x=a}^b f(x)dx\right]\left[\int_{y=c}^d g(y)dy\right][/tex]
 
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Thank you. Totally makes sense now, I was making the problem too complicated the way I was thinking about it.
 
You must realize that the integral u're computing is solvable only for an infinite domain,like the real axis,or the positive semiaxis.

Daniel.
 
I don't know, maybe I'm just mising stuf. Anyway, looks like to me, need to show:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-x^2}dx=\sqrt{\pi}[/tex]

So, let:

[tex]A=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]

thus:

[tex]A^2=[\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-x^2}dx]^2[/tex]

As per Hall:

[tex]A^2=\left[\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-u^2}du\right]\left[\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-v^2}dv\right][/tex]

Converting to polar coordinates:

[tex]A^2=\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_0^{\infty} e^{-r^2}rdrd\theta[/tex]

That one's doable so:

[tex]A^2=\pi}[/tex]

Hence:

[tex]A=\sqrt{\pi}[/tex]

Don't quite understand how Fubini's theorem enters the equation though since really don't need to switch the order of integration as I see it.
 
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It does.U define the square of the initial integral as

[tex]\iint_{R^{2}} e^{-u^{2}-v^{2}} \ du \ dv[/tex]

Fubini's theorem assures that u can u can identify the square of the initial integral with the double integral on R^{2}...

Daniel.
 

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