# Musical notation and timing help

by DaveC426913
Tags: musical, notation, timing
 P: 15,319 I'm trying to vindicate myself in a music discussion. In watching Jesus Christ Superstar the other day, I concluded that some of the music is played in 4/7 timing. That is, some of the music actually has 7 seven beats to the bar. (It is definitely not 7 beats plus a rest, so just don't even think about suggesting it). There, are several, but one example is the movement called 'The Temple'. you can find it here, listed as piece 2-5. You can also see that the artist has corrobrated my claim by documenting his chords in the notation as having 7 beats. What I want is something that demonstrates the timing notation clearly, anything I can present to my detractors. Yes, I can go buy the sheet music, either dead-tree format or online, but either way, it would cost (and it's only a gentleman's bet). I'm hoping someone here can help me more expediently.
 P: 104 I believe you want 7/4 seven beats with the quarter note getting the beat. http://monroelab2.physics.lsa.umich..../Lecture%2024/
 Mentor P: 22,313 Its distracting to count out loud, but if you learn to conduct, you can do it - http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m12404/latest/ 7/4 is conducted as a measure of 4 followed by a measure of 3. You'll be able to hear the downbeats at the start of each (full) measure coinciding with your conducting.
 Sci Advisor P: 5,095 Musical notation and timing help Right on the money Russ. Take it from a life long band geek.
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 Quote by russ_watters Its distracting to count out loud, but if you learn to conduct, you can do it - http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m12404/latest/ 7/4 is conducted as a measure of 4 followed by a measure of 3. You'll be able to hear the downbeats at the start of each (full) measure coinciding with your conducting.
I can most definitely count out the seven beats to the tune of the song, though it takes a bit of practice.

My question is, how is this notated? My detractors insist that there is no such thing as a bar with seven notes. That you would merely use a four-note bar, or eight note bar, letting the extra note fall into the next bar, kleaving rhythm and bars out of sync.
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 Quote by Ba I believe you want 7/4 seven beats with the quarter note getting the beat. http://monroelab2.physics.lsa.umich..../Lecture%2024/
Thanks. But I don't see what that link does for me.

Oh. OH! There it is at the bottom! It actually says 7/4 time! And 'Money', a much better known song!

That sets me on the right path, but I'm still not sure that list in and of itself will convince my detractors. I guess I"ll need to find some actual sheet music.
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 Quote by DaveC426913 My question is, how is this notated? My detractors insist that there is no such thing as a bar with seven notes. That you would merely use a four-note bar, or eight note bar, letting the extra note fall into the next bar, kleaving rhythm and bars out of sync.
Not at all. I think what he's refering to is probably a type of polyrythm, but thats not relevant to this situation. It would deffinately be written as an ordinary bar with seven beats and time signature 7/4.

An example of music written in 7/4:
http://www.marchingpercussion.com/mu.../sevenfour.gif

If you'd like to find some music with odd time signatures, look into Tool, particularly tracks from "Lateralus"
Many orchestral pieces often change time signatures frequently also, and though they may be predominantly 4/4, 6/8 etc. several will have the odd passage or few bars with an odd time signature in
Mentor
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 Quote by FredGarvin Right on the money Russ. Take it from a life long band geek.
How do you think I came up with that?

Rush also does some odd time signatures - I think some in 7.