Arrhenius equations; A2 Chemistry coursework

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Arrhenius equation in determining the activation energy and rate of reaction for the kinetics of reactions between magnesium ribbon and various acids. Participants are exploring how to analyze experimental data collected at different temperatures and are seeking assistance with mathematical aspects related to the Arrhenius equation.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their project on reaction kinetics and expresses difficulty in applying the Arrhenius equation to their data.
  • Another participant explains the Arrhenius equation and suggests plotting ln(k) versus 1/T to find the activation energy (Ea).
  • A participant questions how to derive values for plotting and whether to use initial rates or rate constants in their calculations.
  • There is a suggestion that either ln(rate) or ln(k) can be used for plotting, with the understanding that the slope will remain the same.
  • Participants discuss the need to convert temperatures to Kelvin for the 1/T axis and clarify the relationship between initial rates and the rate constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the Arrhenius equation and the method of plotting ln(rate) versus 1/T, but there remains some confusion regarding the specific values to use for plotting and the interpretation of the results. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the mathematical steps involved in applying the Arrhenius equation, particularly in deriving the necessary values for plotting and understanding the implications of their calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for A-level chemistry students working on kinetics and the Arrhenius equation, as well as those seeking to understand the relationship between reaction rates and temperature in chemical reactions.

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Hello everyone,
I'm in my last year of A-level chemistry here in the UK, and am currently writing up my chemistry coursework. Its a project I was given on the kinetics of the reactions between magnesium ribbon and several different acids (I wanted to explore some much more exciting fields, but sadly couldn't!)

Anyway, I need some help on something...

i'm trying to use the 'arrhenius equation' to ascertain the activation energy/rate of reaction for a certain acid/particular molarity at a range of different temperatures, as an extension to the original project. I have the range of data (taken from 'inverted titrations' if you will!) for 5 different temperatures- aka the volume of gas produced every 10 seconds over a two minute period. (for example 8.8cm^2 after 10 seconds, 20.2cm^2 after 20 seconds)

my problem is I was visiting universities in the last lesson before the holidays started, and we were shown how to use k=Ae (-EA / RT), and how this produces a graph of results... involving logarithms and... things. ahem. My maths isn't outstanding sadly, and I've hit a huge dead end with this. I also can't ask any staff as it's due in the day we return- about a weeks time.

So, here's my desparate plea. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and feels particulary kind, could you please either show me what to do, or point me in the right direction? If this is in the wrong forum or section of the site i apologise, I haven't been active here very long at all!

Thankyou in advance to any help :smile:

(p.s. does anyone know any websites that tell you the percentage error of simple scientific equipment such as burettes/ conical flasks/ measuring cylinders etc? or am i wishing on a star? heh)

<edited for a spelling mistake, there's probably more, its late!>
 
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Synkronised said:
Hello everyone,
I'm in my last year of A-level chemistry here in the UK, and am currently writing up my chemistry coursework. Its a project I was given on the kinetics of the reactions between magnesium ribbon and several different acids (I wanted to explore some much more exciting fields, but sadly couldn't!)

Anyway, I need some help on something...

i'm trying to use the 'arrhenius equation' to ascertain the activation energy/rate of reaction for a certain acid/particular molarity at a range of different temperatures, as an extension to the original project. I have the range of data (taken from 'inverted titrations' if you will!) for 5 different temperatures- aka the volume of gas produced every 10 seconds over a two minute period. (for example 8.8cm^2 after 10 seconds, 20.2cm^2 after 20 seconds)

my problem is I was visiting universities in the last lesson before the holidays started, and we were shown how to use k=Ae (-EA / RT), and how this produces a graph of results... involving logarithms and... things. ahem. My maths isn't outstanding sadly, and I've hit a huge dead end with this. I also can't ask any staff as it's due in the day we return- about a weeks time.

So, here's my desparate plea. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and feels particulary kind, could you please either show me what to do, or point me in the right direction? If this is in the wrong forum or section of the site i apologise, I haven't been active here very long at all!
Fear not; you've come to the right place. If this were math homework, I would not be doing the following for you :

[tex]k = Ae^{-E_a/RT}[/tex]

Take natural logarithms on both sides of the above equation. Remember the following properties of logarithms :

(i) ln(AB) = lnA + lnB
(ii)[itex]ln(e^x) = x[/itex]

Applying these above gives you :
[tex]ln(k) = ln(A) - \frac {E_a}{RT}[/tex]

This has the form :

[tex]y = mx + c[/tex] where y = ln(k), c = ln(A), x = 1/T, m = -Ea/R

In short, if you plot ln(k) vs. 1/T, the slope (m) will tell you the value of Ea.

(p.s. does anyone know any websites that tell you the percentage error of simple scientific equipment such as burettes/ conical flasks/ measuring cylinders etc? or am i wishing on a star? heh)
You should be able to find out the accuracy in your glassware by calling the manufacturer or looking in their website.
 
heys, thanks for trying to help but I'm still rather confused! (call me stupid, I know I am)
I'm still endevouring to find the value of Ea by plotting ln(k) vs. 1/T as you so helpfully suggested, but I am having trouble with actually finding values to plot!
To explain further: 2.0mol dm^-3 sulphuric acid was reacted with magnesium at 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70°C. I drew a graph with the reactions plotted on it, and drew tangents to the curve at t=0 to achieve 5 initial rates. (0.98, 1.52, 1.78, 1.99 and 2.25cm^3 s^-1 respectively). Are these the figures I use to try to find the "ln rate?"
To achieve the ln rate, a formulae in a textbook quoted (simply) "ln rate = constant - Ea/R x 1/t", and i still don't understand sadly.Obviously I'm not asking for you or anyone else to do this work for me, just help me understand in laymans terms what to do if possible.

For the 1/T axis, I take it i convert the temperature into degrees kelvin and divide 1 by it...

Again, any help would be appreciated more then you realize (and when i said my maths was bad, i meant its GCSE standard. I stupidly didn't take it at A-level!)

Thankyou in advance!
 
Synkronised said:
heys, thanks for trying to help but I'm still rather confused! (call me stupid, I know I am)
I'm still endevouring to find the value of Ea by plotting ln(k) vs. 1/T as you so helpfully suggested, but I am having trouble with actually finding values to plot!
To explain further: 2.0mol dm^-3 sulphuric acid was reacted with magnesium at 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70°C. I drew a graph with the reactions plotted on it, and drew tangents to the curve at t=0 to achieve 5 initial rates. (0.98, 1.52, 1.78, 1.99 and 2.25cm^3 s^-1 respectively). Are these the figures I use to try to find the "ln rate?"
Yes, they are - if you want to use ln(rate) instead of ln(k). Either way will work; the only difference will be in the c-intercept of the line. The slope of the stright line will be unaffected.

Alternatively (and you can do this for brownie points, if you feel like it) you can determine the rate constant (k) from the rate equation and the measured initial rates and concentrations. In this case, the reaction is a first order reaction (I would be surprised if not), so the rate equation would be :

[tex]\frac{d[A]}{dt}(t=0) = -k[A_0][/tex] where the LHS = initial rate (slope of curve at t=0), k is the rate constant and Ao is the initial concentration of sulphuric acid. So, from each slope (which will be a negative number as it points downwards), you can determine the corresponding rate constant, k.

To achieve the ln rate, a formulae in a textbook quoted (simply) "ln rate = constant - Ea/R x 1/t", and i still don't understand sadly.Obviously I'm not asking for you or anyone else to do this work for me, just help me understand in laymans terms what to do if possible.
I derived nearly this very same formula for you from the Arrhenius Equation, in my previous post. Go over it again, and in the place of k, simply substitute Ro/Ao, where Ro is the initial rate (the term on the LHS of the above rate equation) . It is simply a matter of taking logarithms and applying the rules for logs.

For the 1/T axis, I take it i convert the temperature into degrees kelvin and divide 1 by it...
Correct.
 

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