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Phy_enthusiast
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Jul16-13, 09:42 AM
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As earth takes 365 days to revolve around sun then why are days grouped into 12 months and we dont have calender that goes from1 to 365.
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Jul16-13, 09:57 AM
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We DO have a calendar that goes from 1 to 365. It is called the Julian calendar. You can use it if you like. Good luck with that.
Phy_enthusiast
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Jul16-13, 10:05 AM
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ok. than why are they grouped int0 12 months carrying 30 or 31 days?????

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Jul16-13, 10:09 AM
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Basic calendar questions

Days are grouped into 12 months because the Romans liked it that way. There is no other reason but historical circumstances.
It's the same kind of question as asking why is the day divided into 24 hours. There's simply no physical meaning behind it.

And just to clarify phinds' comment, it was a jab at your saying the year is 365 days long, which is how it was assumed to be before the Gregorian reform. The actual length of a year is not a well-rounded integer number of days, but is closer to 365.25. That's not the exact value either, but it is what the Gregorian calendar uses as the calculation basis, causing every fourth year to have 366 days, and producing less of an accumulating error.
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Jul16-13, 10:18 AM
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Days are grouped into 12 months because the Romans liked it that way. There is no other reason but historical circumstances.
Is it not partly related to trying also to have some reference to the lunar cycle?
Phy_enthusiast
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Jul16-13, 10:20 AM
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I think it is not partly but fully related to lunar cycle....
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Jul16-13, 10:48 AM
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I think it is not partly but fully related to lunar cycle....
Yes, you're right. It's true as far as the early roman calenar goes(the one with ten months in a year and a gap during winter).

However, from that base lunar calendar, a number of alterations were made that eventually ended up being the calendar that we know. These alterations, before the Julian reform, were based mostly on the Roman perception of lucky and unlucky numbers and altering the length of months to fit in a year.

If the months were fully informed by lunar phases, we'd have 12.3 months in a year, each with 29 or 30 days in it.
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Jul16-13, 12:01 PM
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At any rate the question is relevant: with our current much more precise knowledge of the solar system's dynamics, couldn't we conceive of a more rational timing & calendar system? one which is much more regular (and hopefully decimal-based), not having hours of 60 minutes, days of 24 hours, months of different lengths, leap-years and all that b*t?
Have any proposals been made for a more rational timekeeping method?
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Jul16-13, 01:06 PM
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Quote Quote by Gerinski View Post
At any rate the question is relevant: with our current much more precise knowledge of the solar system's dynamics, couldn't we conceive of a more rational timing & calendar system? one which is much more regular (and hopefully decimal-based), not having hours of 60 minutes, days of 24 hours, months of different lengths, leap-years and all that b*t?
Have any proposals been made for a more rational timekeeping method?
Why? What would be the point? You seem to be trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Really, don't you think there are more important things to worry about?
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Jul16-13, 01:30 PM
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Apparently, the French Republican calendar has been overlooked:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar

Although it was decimal and free of reactionary influence, it still didn't catch on, even among the French.
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Jul16-13, 01:46 PM
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In the US we cannot even convince people to use the metric system, you want to change the calendar! It can never happen. Just to much inertia and tradition and no real reason.
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Those ten day weeks are a killer. Today, the French can barely struggle thru four and a half days a week. And what's the deal with no weekend?

I wish they had bagged the metric system with the weird calendar, just so we wouldn't have to hear about how great it is all the time.
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Jul16-13, 03:47 PM
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A more rational revision of the current Roman based calender has been proposed but it hasn't caught on either. It divides the year into four quarters of 91 days each with three months of 31,30 and 30 days (364.days). The remaining day is called World Day comes between a Saturday and Sunday. 364 is divisible by 7, so every date falls on the same day of the week every year. Leap years are handled the same way and the World Calender follows the Gregorian Reform for leap years. Every common year has the same calendar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Calendar
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Jul16-13, 04:17 PM
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We DO have a calendar that goes from 1 to 365. It is called the Julian calendar. You can use it if you like. Good luck with that.
Astronomers often use Julian dates which are based only on days. Today's Julian date is 2,456,489.5 (16 July, 2013). The days are counted from 1 January, 4713 BCE.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/JulianDate.php
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Jul16-13, 10:26 PM
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In the US we cannot even convince people to use the metric system, you want to change the calendar! It can never happen. Just to much inertia and tradition and no real reason.
Meters and kilograms are not just a craze
That the world is metric doesn’t seem to faze
The US and England who remain in a daze
Confined to their islands immersed in a haze
At two ostriches the world continues to gaze

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Jul17-13, 04:25 AM
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At any rate the question is relevant: with our current much more precise knowledge of the solar system's dynamics, couldn't we conceive of a more rational timing & calendar system? one which is much more regular (and hopefully decimal-based), not having hours of 60 minutes, days of 24 hours, months of different lengths, leap-years and all that b*t?
Have any proposals been made for a more rational timekeeping method?
The time keeping method by lunar cycle is the gift of ancient civilisation (mainly indians), modern civilisation should infact find out new method based on modern physics and astronomy.
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Jul17-13, 05:23 AM
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The time keeping method by lunar cycle is the gift of ancient civilisation (mainly indians), modern civilisation should infact find out new method based on modern physics and astronomy.
I guess we are forced to keep using the day-night cycle anyway, otherwise we would mess up with our circadian rhythm, and it is possible that the lunar cycle has biological implications too.
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Jul17-13, 05:42 AM
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The time keeping method by lunar cycle is the gift of ancient civilisation (mainly indians), modern civilisation should infact find out new method based on modern physics and astronomy.
Why? What would be the point? You seem to be trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Really, don't you think there are more important things to worry about?


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