Short Title: Does Einstein's Special Relativity Disprove the Existence of Ether?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Einstein's theory of special relativity on the existence of ether, a concept historically used to explain the propagation of light. Participants explore various questions related to the nature of vacuum, the behavior of light in different media, the properties of hypothetical particles like gravitons, and the historical context of ether theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how Einstein's theory of special relativity proves the existence of a true vacuum, suggesting that it does not, as Quantum Field Theory indicates a true vacuum is not possible.
  • Another participant argues that light does not actually slow down in materials like glass; rather, it is absorbed and reemitted by atoms, which gives the appearance of a slowdown.
  • A participant mentions that the graviton is theorized to be a massless spin-2 particle and suggests looking for credible sources on the topic, warning against unreliable information.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about ether theory, stating it has been largely dismissed and has not been modified to account for phenomena explained by relativity.
  • Another participant acknowledges the confusion caused by unreliable sources when researching complex topics like gravitons.
  • A participant asserts that special relativity disproves the concept of ether by emphasizing that motion is always relative, thus negating the possibility of measuring motion against an absolute ether.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of special relativity regarding ether and the nature of vacuum. There is no consensus on the validity of ether theory, with some participants dismissing it while others seek to understand its historical context and relevance.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Quantum Field Theory and the behavior of light in various media, indicating a reliance on specific definitions and assumptions that may not be universally accepted. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and understandings of complex concepts.

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Hi to anyone reading this. This is my first thread on this site. I am enthusiastic and very interested in physics. Currently i am trying to understand the universe around me. I have a couple of questions id like to ask and if they could be answered that would be greatly appreciated.
Personally i believe in and ether thus the questions i have are simple but I am lost.

1.What is the exact reason why/how einstein's theory of special relativity proves the existence of a true vacuum?

2. Why is the idea of light slowing down in a solid transparent material such as glass so significant?

3. Are there any predicted properties of a graviton and where could i read about them?

and finally this may seem a bit weird but

4. Has anyone ever conducted the search for an ether using a light beam that travels perpendiuclar to the Earth rather that horizontal to it?

Thanks for reading

p.s. I am still in high school so don't be too harsh on me
 
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1.What is the exact reason why/how einstein's theory of special relativity proves the existence of a true vacuum?

As far as I know it doesn't. Quantum Field Theory shows us that a 'true' vacuum is not possible. Quantum Field Theory is derived with respect to SR.

2. Why is the idea of light slowing down in a solid transparent material such as glass so significant?

It doesn't really slow down. Light always travels at same speed. It's the fact that it's absorbed and reemitted by atoms which seems to slow it down. This is basically what physical optics studies.

3. Are there any predicted properties of a graviton and where could i read about them?

The graviton should be a massless spin-2 particle. Google for graviton. Beware of crack pot sites. If you know QFT, google scholar or http://xxx.lanl.gov is your best bet.

4. Has anyone ever conducted the search for an ether using a light beam that travels perpendiuclar to the Earth rather that horizontal to it?

I won't comment on anything regarding ether theory. It's been dead for many years and to my knowledge hasn't been modified to explain all the phenomena the theory of relativity explains.
 
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thanks for the help.
and in regards to those crackpot sites they really do throw people like me off!
 
1.What is the exact reason why/how einstein's theory of special relativity proves the existence of a true vacuum?

It doesn't prove the existence of a true vacuum, but it does disprove the idea of an 'ether'. This is because a central idea of SR is that motion is always relative, there is no such thing as rest (it is impossible to say who is moving and who isn't, because they are both moving relative to each other). If there were an ether, you could measure motion relative to the absolute either (throwing away the idea that motion is always relative). The way Einstein discovered the relativity of motion involves electromagnetism.
 

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