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Jul1913, 08:58 PM

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Am I right in saying that in a Hydrogen atom when an electron jumps from the second orbit to the first one the energy change is more than any other possible jump (when the jump is not to the first orbit). The calculations seem to support me but it doesn't feel right.



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Jul1913, 09:28 PM

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What calculations seem to support you and how? The transition from continuum to the n=1 shell (the "first one") releases the most potential energy, but for a transition of the type n+1 to n, the transition 2>1 has the largest energy change. You should be able to verify this from the Rydberg formula. 


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Jul1913, 09:41 PM

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Also wouldn't this imply that to ionize an atom from the second shell the energy required is atleast less than half than that to ionize it from the first shell? 


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Jul1913, 09:54 PM

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well since energy increases as distance from nucleus increases and the energy gap b/w consecutive orbits decreases, it seems to me that if what i am saying is true, then distance b/w n=1 and n=2 should be greater than n=2 to n=∞, which is wrong.
Edit: thanks a lot i got my mistake Edit 2: this is true right?Also wouldn't this imply that to ionize an atom from the second shell the energy required is atleast less than half than that to ionize it from the first shell? 


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The transition inf>2 is not a transition of form n+1 > n; but never mind.
The energy changes are proportional to the difference in the reciprocal of the squares of the start and finish quantum numbers. transition from inf>2 would be proportional to 01/4=1/4 transition from 2>1 would be proportional to 11/4=3/4 (notice how taking 1/4 from 0 gets a smaller number than taking 1/4 from 1?) simiarly: transition from inf>3 would be proportional to 1/9 transition from 3>1 would be proportional to 8/9 i.e. the energy levels tend to cluster close to the continuum level. re: I think you are confusing energy levels with orbit radii. You should not be picturing radii at all in connection with atomic shells: it is a completely false picture. 


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Jul1913, 10:01 PM

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Send a 1kg ball rolling from infinity to the bottom of the depression and it will drop 10 meters with energy change ##mgh## equal to 100 Joules; that's the transition from n=∞ to n=2. But when it falls to the bottom of the well (n=2 to n=1) it will pick up another 5000 Joules. 


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Jul1913, 11:39 PM

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[BTW: thanks for spotting the typo  edited in original] 


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Jul2213, 01:45 PM

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When the theory conflicts with your intuition, it's time to fix the intuition! (well, actually, intuition is a very useful guiding force, but in this case it's wrong)



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