Einstein's potential energy equation

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of classical potential energy equations to Einstein's energy equations, specifically addressing the absence of the factor of 1/2 in the context of rest energy and kinetic energy. Participants explore the implications of these equations in both classical and relativistic frameworks.

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  • One participant questions the absence of the 1/2 factor in the transformation from classical potential energy to Einstein's energy equation, suggesting it may relate to the annihilation of particle pairs.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "Einstein's potential energy equation," indicating confusion between different forms of energy equations.
  • A participant asserts that potential energy is not equal to 1/2mv^2, which is the formula for kinetic energy, and introduces the equation E = mc^2 as relevant to stationary objects.
  • Another participant expands on Einstein's energy equation, providing a series expansion of the Lorentz factor and relating it to rest mass energy and kinetic energy.
  • A participant expresses frustration over the perceived complexity of the original question regarding the absence of the half in the rest energy equation.
  • One participant claims that the question has been competently answered by others in the thread.

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Participants exhibit a range of understandings regarding the relationship between classical and relativistic energy equations, with some clarifying points while others express confusion. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the original question or the implications of the equations discussed.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of potential and kinetic energy in classical versus relativistic contexts. The discussion also highlights the complexity of relating different energy equations without clear definitions.

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What happened to the 1/2 in the transformation of classical potential energy equation to Einstein's potential energy equation. Is it dropped because giving off all rest energy would require annhilation of a particle pair thereof 1/2mv2+1/2mv2=1mv2 gets rid of the half?
 
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Originally posted by einsteinian77
What happened to the 1/2 in the transformation of classical potential energy equation to Einstein's potential energy equation. Is it dropped because giving off all rest energy would require annhilation of a particle pair thereof 1/2mv2+1/2mv2=1mv2 gets rid of the half?

What do you mean by "Einstein's potential energy equation"? I don't understand the question. Do you mean to compare mc^2 with (1/2)mv^2? Apples and oranges?
 
Potential energy doesn't equal 1/2mv^2(that's kinetic energy) it equals mgh

I think you are asking about the energy E = mc^2 equation relating to classical systems.

First E = mc^2 is only for stationary objects. The actual equation is E = mc^2/[1-((v^2)/(c^2))]^1/2(you see now why when discussing it in general people assume v = 0)

Einstein's equation deals with the total energy of an object at any speed. and the derivation can be found in most Modern Physics books( a convineince for me because I don't remember it off the top of my head)
 
kinetic energy from Einstein

E=mc2/(1-(v/c)2)1/2
where m is rest mass.
Expand Lorentz term in power series:
(1-(v/c)2)-1/2=1+(v/c)2/2+...
Net result:
E=mc2+mv2/2+...
The first 2 terms are the energy due to rest mass and the kinetic energy.
 
whats so difficult about my question krab all i was asking was how come there is no half in the rest energy equation.
 
Well, then it's been competently answered by Mathman and VBPhysics.
 

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