Finding the Scalar for a Vector in a Linear Combination

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The discussion revolves around expressing a vector b as a linear combination of given vectors v1, v2, and v3, and subsequently determining if v1 can be expressed as a linear combination of v2, v3, and b. The subject area involves linear algebra concepts related to vector combinations and linear independence.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore how to express vector b using the given vectors and discuss the implications of linear combinations. Questions arise regarding the scalars needed for the linear combination and the impact of manipulating the original vector equation on the properties of the vectors involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering suggestions on manipulating the original vector equation to find the necessary scalars. There is a recognition of potential misunderstandings regarding the implications of linear combinations and the properties of the vectors involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the lack of explicit mention of linear independence and completeness in the original problem, which may affect the interpretation of the linear combinations being discussed.

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The question asks: Write down the vector b as the linear combination of vectors, v1, v2, v3.

To which I got:

b = [tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\3\\2\end{array}\right)[/tex] = [tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\-2\\2\end{array}\right)\frac{7}{2} + \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\\-3\end{array}\right)0 + \left(\begin{array}{cc}-1\\4\\-2\end{array}\right)\frac{5}{2}[/tex]

(as A was the matrix made up of those three vectors, and the scalars were the answers from the system Ax=b)

Then the question asks: Determine whether the vector v1 is the linear combination of vectors, v2, v3, b.

Could someone tell me how to find the scalar for vector b?

At the moment I have:

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\\-3\end{array}\right)0+ \left(\begin{array}{cc}-1\\4\\-2\end{array}\right)\frac{5}{2}+ \left(\begin{array}{cc}\frac{7}{2}\\0\\\frac{5}{2}\end{array}\right)[/tex]

And I don't know what number to multiply the last vector by...
 
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Shouldnt the linear combinations look like this?

[tex] \left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\3\\2\end{array}\right)=<br /> 1\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\0\\0\end{array}\right)+<br /> 3\left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\\0\end{array}\right)+<br /> 2\left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\0\\1\end{array}\right)[/tex]
 
Erienion said:
Shouldnt the linear combinations look like this?

[tex] \left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\3\\2\end{array}\right)=<br /> 1\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\0\\0\end{array}\right)+<br /> 3\left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\\0\end{array}\right)+<br /> 2\left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\0\\1\end{array}\right)[/tex]
No, he were to express the vector b as a linear combination in terms of the three originally given vectors.
 
shan:
Just multiply your original (vector) equation with [tex]\frac{2}{7}[/tex] and rearrange your terms.
 
Erenion,u used 3 vectors that could form a basis in [itex]\mathbb{C}^{3}[/itex]...I think this property will be lost,once u try to express one of the basis vectors as a lin.combo.of the other basis vectors & the original vector...

Since the OP's problem dooesn't mention linear independence & completitude,i guess what he's done is correct and he can solve point "b",if he's more careful with his algebra...

Daniel.
 
arildno said:
shan:
Just multiply your original (vector) equation with [tex]\frac{2}{7}[/tex] and rearrange your terms.
hmm but I don't understand why? As I need to determine whether v1 is a linear combination of vectors v2, v3 and b, if I multiplied the original vector equation with [tex]\frac{2}{7}[/tex], wouldn't I change the length of v1?
 
shan said:
hmm but I don't understand why? As I need to determine whether v1 is a linear combination of vectors v2, v3 and b, if I multiplied the original vector equation with [tex]\frac{2}{7}[/tex], wouldn't I change the length of v1?
What do you mean?
v1 is the vector (1,-2,2), right?
 
arildno said:
What do you mean?
v1 is the vector (1,-2,2), right?
Yeah... ok maybe I'm misunderstanding. By original vector equation, you mean this one?

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\-2\\2\end{array}\right)\frac{7}{2} + \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\\-3\end{array}\right)0 + \left(\begin{array}{cc}-1\\4\\-2\end{array}\right)\frac{5}{2}[/tex]

So you're saying to multiply the above equation by \frac{2}{7} and rearrange to make v1 (1, -2, 2) the subject?
 
shan said:
Yeah... ok maybe I'm misunderstanding. By original vector equation, you mean this one?

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\-2\\2\end{array}\right)\frac{7}{2} + \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\\-3\end{array}\right)0 + \left(\begin{array}{cc}-1\\4\\-2\end{array}\right)\frac{5}{2}[/tex]

So you're saying to multiply the above equation by \frac{2}{7} and rearrange to make v1 (1, -2, 2) the subject?

I take it you meant:
b=[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\-2\\2\end{array}\right)\frac{7}{2} + \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\\-3\end{array}\right)0 + \left(\begin{array}{cc}-1\\4\\-2\end{array}\right)\frac{5}{2}[/tex]

Yes, that's the equation I was referring to..
 
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Ah ok, I got it. Thanks for the help :)
 

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