Electro magnetic wave and light

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The discussion centers on the differences and similarities between light (photons) and electromagnetic waves, including radio waves. Participants explore concepts related to wave-particle duality, the properties of photons, and the implications of wavelength and frequency in the electromagnetic spectrum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the primary difference between light and electromagnetic waves is wavelength, while others express skepticism about this simplification.
  • It is noted that light behaves both as a wave and as a stream of particles called photons, with photons being described as energy quanta.
  • Participants discuss the concept of rest mass, with clarification that photons have a rest mass of zero and always travel at the speed of light.
  • One participant questions the possibility of slowing down light if it were treated as a 'normal' electromagnetic wave, with another participant affirming that it is indeed possible.
  • There is mention of the inverse relationship between wavelength and frequency in describing different types of electromagnetic waves, including radio waves and X-rays.
  • Terminological differences are highlighted, particularly regarding the use of "light" to refer to various forms of electromagnetic radiation beyond visible light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the definitions and implications of light and electromagnetic waves. While some points are clarified, multiple competing views remain, particularly around the nature of photons and the implications of wave-particle duality.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about terminology and definitions are not fully resolved, and the discussion reflects varying interpretations of the relationship between light and electromagnetic waves.

Mjdgard
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Hi

What is the difference between light (photons) and electromagnetic waves (eg radio waves)?
According to some tables (like this ) the only difference is its wave length. But to me this doesen't make sense! i learned, that a photon just acts like a wave. furthermore a photon has got a mass (rest mass=0) , but i never heard this about em-waves.
Uh, and it would be possible to slow down the speed of light if it were a 'normal' em-wave, wouldn't it? Urks...

if it would be possible to compress the wavelength of a radio wave, till it has the same elongation as a light wave (about 500nm), what would happen?
What would i see?

Hmm, i hope you understand my question and hopefully it's not too silly. :)

thanks for your help!
Mjdgard
 
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Mjdgard said:
Hi

What is the difference between light (photons) and electromagnetic waves (eg radio waves)?
According to some tables (like this ) the only difference is its wave length. But to me this doesen't make sense! i learned, that a photon just acts like a wave. furthermore a photon has got a mass (rest mass=0) , but i never heard this about em-waves.

Light behaves as a wave but also as a stream of incident particles. these particles are the photons. basically, a photon is a particle that corresponds to an energy-quantum : a little piece of EM-energy.

So both visions (photons <-->waves) are dual. Just compare it as using two different languages to say the same...

Indeed a photon has restmass = 0 and it always has velocity = c.

The EM-energy is quantized, which means it can only have certain values and such an energy-unit really is a photon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

Uh, and it would be possible to slow down the speed of light if it were a 'normal' em-wave, wouldn't it? Urks...

YES YOU CAN
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/9/3/10/1

(though, i don't know whether you will understand everything in this article, it gives a good image of what is goin on)
regards
marlon
 
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Light is just one kind of electromagnetic wave. Wavelength and frequency vary inversely with one another to describe different types of EM waves. If you're using the word 'photon' to describe light, you can equally use it to describe X-rays, microwaves and radio waves, all of which belong to the electromagnetic spectrum.

A radio wave is exactly the same as a light wave, except that its frequency is a lot lower and its wavelength is a lot higher.
 
Thanks brewnog.

This means, the maxwell equations are valid for light-waves too; ok, that's not very surprising for me. But that an x-ray could be described as a photon stream is very interesting.
 
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brewnog said:
Light is just one kind of electromagnetic wave. Wavelength and frequency vary inversely with one another to describe different types of EM waves. If you're using the word 'photon' to describe light, you can equally use it to describe X-rays, microwaves and radio waves, all of which belong to the electromagnetic spectrum.

Just a terminological note here. In common usage, "light" usually means visible light, but in the astro literature I've seen, "light" can refer to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, including radio waves and x-rays. I don't know what the standards are in other fields. As for the difference between photons and classical waves, I think that was answered well by marlon.
 

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