Does the Absolute Value of the Sine Integral Diverge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of the absolute value of the sine integral, specifically whether it diverges or converges. Participants explore different interpretations of the sine integral and its absolute value, focusing on mathematical reasoning and potential bounds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the sine integral converges to π/2 but questions the behavior of its absolute value, suggesting it may diverge.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between the absolute value of the sine integral Si(x) and the absolute value of the sinc function, proposing two interpretations of the integral.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the finiteness of the integral, noting computational difficulties in evaluating it.
  • Another participant suggests breaking the integral into intervals over the period of |sin(t)| to establish a lower bound for the absolute value of the sinc function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the absolute value of the sine integral diverges. Multiple interpretations and approaches are presented, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the evaluation of the integral and the conditions under which the bounds are established. The discussion reflects differing assumptions about the behavior of the sine integral and its absolute value.

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i know that the sine integral converges to pi/2. But what about the abs value of the sine integral. It seems to me that it would have value oo. But I'm having trouble coming up with a lower bound that diverges.
 
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Do you mean
the absolute value of Si(x).

[tex]\left|Si(x)\right|=:\left|\int_{0}^{x} \frac{\sin t}{t} \ dt \right|[/tex]

or the abolute value of sinc(x)

[tex]\tilde{Si}(x)=:\int_{0}^{x} \left|\frac{\sin t}{t}\right| \ dt[/tex]

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Do you mean
the absolute value of Si(x).

[tex]\left|Si(x)\right|=:\left|\int_{0}^{x} \frac{\sin t}{t} \ dt \right|[/tex]

or the abolute value of sinc(x)

[tex]\tilde{Si}(x)=:\int_{0}^{x} \left|\frac{\sin t}{t}\right| \ dt[/tex]

Daniel.
The latter. Sorry for the confusion.
 
The graph is deceiving.My computer wouldn't compute the intagral.I don't know whether it's finite or not...

Daniel.
 
Break it up into intervals over the period of |sin(x)|

[tex]\int_{k*\pi}^{(k+1)*\pi}\left|\frac{\sin{t}}{t}\right|dt\geq \int_{k*\pi}^{(k+1)*\pi}\frac{|\sin{t}|}{(k+1)*\pi}dt[/tex]

Then sum over k=0,1,..,whatevers appropriate. There will be a little left over if x is not a multiple of pi, but this won't matter (you're bounding from below and your integrand is positive).
 

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